Carly Findlay: 'Malory Towers'

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coming up on reframed along with this week's special guest carly finlay today we'll be discussing mallory towers

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i live in melbourne of course and i like to eat cheese

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how perfect like that would be the moment where it could have gone wrong and it just didn't because often we're the villain we're the scary character we

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are the tragedy i'm like i relate on a spiritual level

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welcome back to reframed the podcast that reframes how disability is portrayed in film and tv

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i'm your host jason climo and today i have the wonderful robin lambert with me is my co-host

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along with this week's special guest carly finlay today we'll be discussing mallory towers but before we do let's

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say hello to carly and learn a bit more about them welcome to the podcast carly did you just want to start off by telling us a

Carlys background

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bit about you and what you do hello yes i'm carly findlay and i am coming to you from aurundry country here in naam um

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i am very grateful for aboriginal people for telling their stories on this land for

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thousands and thousands of years since the beginning of time and as an author i always like to give a

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shout out to an aboriginal writer um and given this is a disabled themed

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podcast with disabled hosts and guests i want to give a shout out to a disabled

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writer an aboriginal writer so you should look the work up of gail kennedy or look up the work of gail kennedy um

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gail is an amazing aboriginal elder she lives on the

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urination um on gadigal land and she um writes uh

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lots of young adult books um some graphic novels and she's got a novel called a me

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ant-man and fleabag and she also has a um memoir coming out and she's

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incredible and she's also in growing up disabled in australia which i've edited um so i am a writer a speaker here at

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activist and arts worker and a lot of my work is around disability and facial

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difference and appearance diversity so my writing for the media has often been

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around the media representation of disability has been around

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calling out you know bad headlines which is a regular thing

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um also calling out ableist stuff that happens even though i hate sport i've written like i reckon i've written three

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proper articles on sport i think maybe because they also can't find anyone else to

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write as well you know like you know a non-disabled um person's roller decks if

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we go back to the 90s is really quite small when it comes to looking up disability contacts it seems yeah um so

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often i've had to comment on stuff that seems a bit out of my field of enjoyment like sport

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um i also um do a little bit of radio and

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some tv and i work at melbourne fringe as access advisor and that means that i

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advise artists on how to make their shows accessible work with deaf and disabled artists on putting on their

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shows and advise our staff on how to make the organization more accessible and making

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sure that we embed accessibility in everything we do um aside from the work i do i like i live

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in melbourne of course and i like to eat cheese

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you like cheese um i've never met please i don't me i i've never met a cheese i don't like

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um i also started roller skating um in lockdown number two uh we've had six

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lockdowns in melbourne i started rollerskating lockdown number two and i've been skating for nearly

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probably nearly just over 18 months um and i'm not very good at it but i can go

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forward very well i can go backward a little bit i can fall easily and i haven't been

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saved very good at falling and the other day i don't bruise very

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easily um i don't well i i don't know if i bruise very easily because my skin condition means that i'm always red and

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you can't see my bruises but the other day i did fall and my wrist guard protected me but i had a massive bruise

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on my wrist from where it dug in and i was very proud of that

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um battle scars so i brought that i also i also really like wearing colorful clothes um

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and as a bit of a political statement as well i feel like people don't expect disabled people to dress well or

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to want to take pride in our appearance um and so i wear what i want to wear and enjoy it and um

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are we allowed to swear on this podcast oh great um and so on twitter most days

Black Lives Matter

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i do a outfit photo and i say i wore this today and felt fabulous because

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i do i do feel fabulous and it's also not expected of someone like me to feel that way and as a result of that

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hilariously in 2020 when the black lives matter movement happened um you know what not happened

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it was still you know it was present well before that but when it kind of came to a head particularly in australia

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there was a big push to put more black people people of color on the covers of magazines and i am a person of color my

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mum is um from south africa she's a black woman and my dad's english and so

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i sort of facetiously tweeted hey can someone please put me on the cover of vogue because everyone was doing this

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vogue challenge and someone who was good at photoshop did that for me and then i said um hey very like call me and then

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they did they emailed me they messaged me on instagram actually and they said hey carly can you please write for our

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feature um that we're doing on black lives matter in the august issue and i

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thought that lockdown might be over by then and i have some glamorous photoshoot but

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i just i just had to submit that um that cover that someone made for me and then write an article so that's good it's

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pretty awesome i like right it can happen like i like how things if you just literally put it out there it can

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happen manifesting yeah i mean i don't believe in that woo boy but i might well you know when it

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happens um yeah i've done i've published two books as well um say hello and which is

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a memoir which came out three years ago and growing up disabled in australia which is a anthology and it has 46

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stories of people who are disabled from australia um some are um intellectually

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disabled some are deaf some are um migrants there are actually quite a few gender

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diverse and non-binary and trans people in the book there are very few white men in the book which is i really wanted to

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center voices that we don't hear from um yeah and actually i my memory popped

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up from facebook the other day i did the drum as some um promo for the book and i know that both

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of you are white people in wheelchairs but i said that i would like to talk

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about how disability is not just white people in wheelchairs because we only really see them

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um on the drum which is a good accurate observation when we look at their guest list um and

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then the white people in wheelchairs got annoyed at me for being with this racist

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not great um you spoke a little bit in that awesome rap of all the things that you've done

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um about having to write a little bit out of your lane um about things that you're not necessarily interested in and obviously that shows that there's some

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struggles for disabled people to get published which is obviously a big feat for anyone to get published but do you

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think there's still quite a lot of barriers for disabled people to get published and to tell their own stories

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absolutely i mean i i feel like there are there are articles about disability that are

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written about disabled people with no input from disabled people so stuff on the ndis often has people

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who work in the sector who has parents um you know there's books that are published about how hard it is to be a

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parent of a disabled child um those stories are all given preference over disabled people's

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stories and one of the things i find interesting particularly in the speaking field like in the kind of story telling

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field like oral kind of stories is that it's very hard for disabled people to get paid because we're not valued um and

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so i've often felt like um really i have my privilege in that i

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have a speaking agent who can um guarantee that i get a good amount of money but then there are other people on

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that panel who often don't get paid and they say yes because they need to get the exposure and the practice and all

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that but then it's just not fair when there are people who are doing the same thing as i'm doing and they're not

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getting paid um i had a situation where i spoke at an event for medical practitioners

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and it's always really hard when you fight back around that we don't have a budget statement

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um and then they they come back with a budget um but then it's always really

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awkward because you're then the one getting paid and you kind of put yourself out there and put them out by demanding payment and um two people on

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the panel were there in the capacity their job there was a politician and there was also a doctor so they were

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doing literally their day job and speaking and there was me and another woman who had

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come as our freelance capacity in our freelance capacity and i made a um you

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know made a friend out of that woman and i spoke to her afterwards on her podcast and i said to her you know i'll fare

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quietly hey did you get paid for that and she said no and she said i just don't know how to get experience without getting paid

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and i said i feel really awful that i you know that you didn't get paid and it's just so unequal because these men

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were getting paid in their capacity and i was getting paid because i had to fight for it but she wasn't and i ended

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up um getting that day actually i ended up having a um getting an email from someone who said hey can you speak at an

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event and i happen to be clashing with an event i'd already said yes to so i passed that on and i think that's really

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important if you can't do something if you feel like you know someone else isn't getting paid you go speak up and

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say hey you know this person should be paid as well and we see it particularly with intellectually disabled people as

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well that and they're not paid for the same thing that um non-intellectually disabled people are

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paid for yeah and like i think we've just got to call it up for what it is and that it's exploitation like you have

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us there in a professional capacity to give out whether it's like reliving experiences or you know sharing insight

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it's why is that any different to somebody who's getting up and talking about like at that medical conference about like a

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new drug like it's not different exactly whether as a professional speaker to give our experience into education

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and it's kind of like waiting around for a good opportunity or um one thing i get really excited about and

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um i know that robin you know emily yeah um and you know i speak with her

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mum a lot and um you know she said to me it's because of my campaigning for not working for

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free that she's helped to get emily yeah a lot of paperwork you know at such a young age and it's great and i just

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think the more we say yes to working for free the more that that impacts the whole the whole community

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because people seek me as homogeneous and it's like well carly said yes so robin's going to say yes so jason's

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going to say yes i think it also like just diminishes the labor that goes into those things as well like telling our

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stories and educating um i don't think people realize how much work goes into that into creating that yeah

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yeah exactly and also um you know don't pay someone who is coming from their own

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lived experience less money than someone who is like um university educated or

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you know or has you know years in a particular field like our lived experience is valuable so yeah i think

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in terms of not being able to tell a story there's definitely a barrier but also being paid to tell a story it's a

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barrier as well and just the last question i wanted to ask is very relevant to what we're talking about today on reframed is why

Inclusion on Screen

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do you think inclusion on screen is important and also why do you think it's important for disabled people to be able

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to control their own narratives when they're represented um well when i grew up all i saw on tv was

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a current affair talking about disabled dog bludgers quote unquote and also

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paralympians i know you're a proud no offense

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but neither of those applied to me like i couldn't do sport as a kid and you know i couldn't be out in the in the sun

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and the heat and and so there was no kind of possibility for me and there's no

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relatability because i thought the disability looked a certain way i thought well you know people were either bludging from the government or

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you know winning gold medals at the paralympics and there was no in between and so it wasn't until i saw people on

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tv talking about disability and i remember would have been

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probably in the mid 2000s i happened to see stella young on no limits and i didn't identify as being disabled then

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um but i saw her and everything she talked about about discrimination i was like

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yes this this applies to me and was finding out about the social model and seeing different people who are um

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different you know even though our diagnoses are different we still have these similar experiences around barriers around identity around like

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disabled joy even and so all of that helps so to see a wide variety of disabled people on

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onscreen helps um you know i think in dylan orcott's australian in the year speech and last night on q a he also

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said he wants to see a wide variety of people on screens and you know represented everywhere because that's

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really really important to have that incidental representation um one of the i think one of my most proud

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moments is when i did the media for say hello i got to do a few

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um big tv shows i did studio 10 and the project and

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abc 7 30. and on the pro when i did the project a mum of a little boy with

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igthiosis at the time he that that's a skin condition i have ethiosis at the time the little boy was like four and

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she sent me a photo of him watching me on tv and said mum that's carly she's got um skin like me i'm just like wow

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that's that's so impactful and you know someone to see themselves on tv to see what's possible

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it doesn't necessarily mean that person has to be on tv when they grow up to see that positive representation because

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there's so much negative representation we have shows like embarrassing bodies and medical incredible and you know

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awful storylines around disability and tragedy and eugenics and you know

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um in tv so that is really important i think the second part of the question

Controlling Our Narratives

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was about why disabled people should be able to control our own narratives yeah because we need to control our own

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narratives because nothing about us without us like if you're talking about disability we need to be present but

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also um one of the things that happens a lot with reporting on ichthyosis um and

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probably other rare conditions as well is that we're really dehumanized we're always dehumanized so this week there's

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been an article about a little baby with ichthyosis that's been described she's been described as a turtle because

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her skin is so hard and you see this like snakeskin woman mermaid baby like there's never a

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there's never a human headline and um sorry to put a darren hinch kind of call

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for me i met him at the airport once actually um

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yeah there's never that kind of humanization of of a disabled person and

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one of the issues i think is that parents are really quick to tell their child's story to raise awareness and

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that's really really problematic and often i'm the only person calling this out in the ichthyosis community not so

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much in the wider disability community but in the ethiosis community and um it doesn't win me any favors that you know

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i got blocked by the mother of that baby for calling out the bad article with the

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um but it doesn't do us any favor as a community because again the homogenization

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the perception of homogenization as a community means that someone reads this article about

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ethiosis or sees that program and they're like well um everyone with ethiosis is like that

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and i know everything now um there's a show called embarrassing bodies which often gets rotated on tv and i've never

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watched the show but i have an opinion on the show and i believe i can have a pin because of the because of the title

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you know oh god yeah and and also because they've got people with ethiosis so every time i

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hear about this show because people are like oh carly watch embarrassing bodies tonight and i'll say no people have argued with me that i should watch it to

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be more informed i said well the title sets the sets the theme like it sets the tone for

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the content but every time that's on because it gets repeated so much i get

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particularly when we could travel a bit more and um we're working out of the home i haven't really been approached in

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the last year thank god but i'll be on the tram and someone will be like oh i saw you on tv last night and i said oh

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on you can't ask that and they'll say oh no no it was like on embarrassing bodies and because people with ichthyosis look

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the same they just assume that i was on this show and then they argue with me like you've got a sister did you live in

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the uk and i'm like no i'm an only child and i have a british passport but i didn't live in the uk and it just like thought

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it was time to convince people that it wasn't me and so that's really damaging so our own narratives are important because we have to be in control of our

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story and also like when kids are put out there on the internet like it's forever and imagine imagine that little

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baby reading that you know her skin was described like a turtle or you know her parents were devastated

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when they had it right imagine that i think that's the importance of diversity too because i think you know for parents

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their experience is valid their lived experience and they should have space to be able to talk about that in whatever

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way they see fit but we need something to balance that right like we need disabled stories to tell about how

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growing up and your own perception of your disability changes and and things like that and then also you know how the

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parents perspective will change as that child gets older and does more things and whatever yeah yeah but also like if

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we saw more like characters with ethiosis like in shows or in films like those parents would possibly i would

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hope be less like oh my god i was devastated yeah because they've seen it they've like got

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a better understanding yeah and it's represented out there and it's not something that's like oh my god this is

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so scary yeah and i definitely had that from new parents um but then you know like shows still continue to cast us in

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a really bad light like i think the x-files was one of the shows that had echiosis in a while ago and it was just

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like you know the person was kind of a freak of nature you know um it's never in a positive light but

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i think we are chipping away at it maybe slowly more widely with disability but not so

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much with existence yeah there's a lot of work to be done but

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we need to celebrate the small little wins we have along the way don't we yeah yeah so just to finish off where can um

Carlys Social Media

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people find you to engage your services or support you like do you want them to follow you on social media yeah i mean i'm at carly findlay c-a-r-l-y

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f-i-n-d-l-y at um on twitter on instagram and um

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kylie finlay oam on facebook and linkedin i think that's my linkedin

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um and also i have a blog which is kyliefindmy.com today you say hello is

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at um oh i had the book sitting next to me now but i i'm in the middle of packing

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um so they're not there um say hello is available in paperback and ebook and audiobook if you like the sound of my

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voice now you could buy the audiobook

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disabilities are in those formats using those formats as well um and it's also grown up disables also on print on

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demand and you can print it in um big for big font braille other formats as well um and again audio

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book my husband who uh i wouldn't say he's my biggest fan in

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terms of like my work he took my book came out um in january 2019 and

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on january the 29th 29th the 24th this year he just finished

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it

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oh no no i'm just reading slowly that's probably that's probably the only book he's read since

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i've been with him in light yet i took him oh my god i love that

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yeah yeah we're very different granted if he wrote a book i probably

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would take her just to read it should have been some kind of star wars connotation or something hey opposites

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are trapped

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well it's been so good getting to know you but let's jump straight into uh analyzing mallory towers robin can you

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give us the right sure so it's an adaptation of a children's book by enid blyton called mallory towers um

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interestingly to point out i think the book was written post world war ii not very diverse

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needless to say so they've made a real effort um with this adaptation to just be more diverse in general with

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ethnicity um and interestingly to us as a character with facial difference um but basically

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it just follows daryl rivers who's the main character adventurous little tomboy who's going off um from her home to all

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girls boarding school and the sort of adventures that she gets up to uh in that process

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love it i think she's isn't she described as a tomboy with a ridiculous bob yeah i think so yeah

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i'm like i relate on a spiritual level

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i love that but yes obviously there's a character of facial difference and i want to throw to you carly straight away

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just to give us a bit of a rundown of how you felt the portrayal was yeah so

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in 2020 during lockdown maybe number one um we've had a lot i think that's maybe

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the second time [Laughter] [Music]

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um yeah so and i feel like currently we're still in a bit of a self-imposed lockdown if we don't get coped because

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the pandemic isn't over just because we're over it anyway sorry um in the

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lockdown i was like looking for stuff to watch i just felt like um all of my work had disappeared but then i was you know

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like a duck underwater you know i'm trying to keep my work the work that i had or make

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more work and i wasn't actually doing anything um relaxing on a weekend and so

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i put out a call on my social media hey what should i watch for streaming and a whole heap of people were like watch

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mallory towers and i thought oh i haven't like heard of that since i was a kid i used to read anna blatant books a

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lot and i know she was super problematic then um yeah so but i i was like wow okay great

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and i love that people were telling me because they obviously know that i value good representation and the reason they

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were telling me is because beth bradfield plays gene and beth has a facial difference so they

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were telling me that from a facial difference representation perspective it was really great it was really well

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done so disability is really wide it's like got a big umbrella it is a being umbrella and under it has a lot of

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different types of um impairments i guess and while people with facial differences might not

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identify as disabled or people with facial differences um i do there are other people that do i feel like we do

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experience the same types of barriers that most disabled people feel and

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when i first realized the social model of disability which is that society um should change not my body well not my

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face that was when i realized i was disabled like when i was in my mid-20s and so

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um i think seeing facial difference represented in terms of disability is important but also seeing facial

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difference on tv is really important because often we're the villain where the scary character we are the um

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tragedy that um you know like is burnt or you know um come the facial difference comes

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about because of a tragedy um or where cast is the villain or the um

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the evil character and so beth in um maori towers it's none of

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these things she's not a hero she's not a villain she's just an incredible you know

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herself or you know as the character and one of the things that i really loved is they actually don't mention that she's

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got a facial difference in the show so i've watched the first series and the second series is coming to australia i

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think it has been filmed and i think it's out on the bbc but not yet the abc

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um and the character you know beth is and i really don't i love this term but just

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like everyone else um and she is um you know not

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questioned about her facial difference and i feel like curiosity is natural but also when there

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is an example of curiosity like in the media or in real life it's like you always have to be that teachable moment

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so if an audience member um saw a character with a facial difference

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and another character interacts with them and we're like well how did you get your facial difference

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then it would give that audience member the permission to ask in real life you know so it was kind of none of that it

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sort of set the tone about how we want people to behave around us you know

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there's no need to ask why we have a facial difference often we don't get this way it happens and

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um you know i i was really lucky to interview beth actually for

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the abc i interviewed beth in late 2020

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and i pitched it to the abc because i was so excited that there's finally a character with a facial difference that was

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represented well and um it was just such a great conversation and she talked about how

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she wanted she wants to be a role model for young women with and without facial differences and that um

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you know she um she really values just being

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uh a character where her facial difference is incidental to that yeah yeah i think that's the big thing

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is like you know as soon as um daryl was getting on the train and we see gene

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and she goes to sit down and had i don't know if the two of you felt the same but i just have always when they're like

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introduced just waiting for that i'm waiting for that i've got this anticipation like inside of me and it's

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like no they're not building up and i'm like are they gonna mention it is she gonna be like what happened to your face or something really up yeah yeah

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yeah and none of that and then they were just like it's literally like this is gene they've done it she's a good egg and i was like that was

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it yeah moving right along i was like wow yeah and they they just got on with it and i was stuck that was just really

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that was just really great and i really and it was just so great like that incidental representation that's what we need we don't need a big deal just that

Representation

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exactly yeah like we don't need the spotlight like it doesn't need to be shown on like the disability it's like

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showcase the person yeah because you know gene realistically is just getting on with it and it's like everybody else

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can too you don't need to make a huge deal yeah i love that i think i think it really shows like the interaction as you

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said when she got on the train and um there was just that friendship from the

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start it really demonstrates to children to young viewers how we want to be

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um engaged with yeah and so if they do see someone with a facial difference you know on the train they won't have a

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tantrum like i've had experiences of with children on the train you know yeah

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um yeah i think it's so important to have it in children's shows to like get

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that representation started early and to start forming those perceptions when people are young and perhaps even when

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they haven't had you know their parents ideas put on them yet as well yes yeah yeah absolutely and they can

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form their own decision about how to engage and also like um often sorry often parents say oh don't

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look don't look don't stare don't ask questions and you know that can be good in a way when we want to be

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inconspicuous but also not great because it shows that they shouldn't look at us so i think that yeah really sets the

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tone of how to engage like you said jason i was just like i watched quite a few episodes just to get a feel for the

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show and i was just waiting like for for something to happen where i was gonna be like um and there was i think there was one

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point where one of the characters gets slapped and she's looking in a mirror and she's going on about a bruise to

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jane and she's like look at this big mark on my face and i thought oh this could be like the moment she's like

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they've picked the character with facial difference and she just like totally blew it off like just sarcastic like oh yeah you think it's a big deal go to the

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teacher then whatever and i was like how perfect like that would be the moment where it could have gone wrong and it

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just didn't yeah and then yeah i kept watching and it was just all the way through it was just kids being kids

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getting up to the things that they do and it wasn't pointed out at all all that yeah so much mischief

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it was great i think um one of the only things like i would say it's not like a huge negative

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but um it's something that you know as we progress and get more and more you know positive representation the

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next conversation is going to be all about like okay there's more than one disabled person at

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that school surely so that was the only thing that i sort of really did think was

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you know if that if we were going to give them like a five out of five on the idr scale or something i would be like i would

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want to have seen like multiple disabled characters like at least two yeah i

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think that that that's often an issue isn't it where you can't have too many um of anything

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you can't have too much diversity it might be too confronting but you can have a lot of non-disabled white people

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yeah honestly honestly they're like just one from this bucket and one from this

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but then maybe if they had a whole range of people with disability the characters

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then that would that have pushed it into the special school realm perhaps yeah and that's the thing as

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well like because you bring this up quite a lot jason and i i definitely agree like surely disabled people at

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some point get disabled friends or you'd hope so they become part of that community but my experience growing up i

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was the only disabled kid in all three schools that i went to you know for a majority of the time so i think like

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just to play devil's advocate like that often is the experience um yeah but it would be nice to see

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those characters grow as seasons go on and to see them really invest in their own community and find a space there

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and i think we've talked about like i think it was when we were talking about a quiet place part two or something like it where we said

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it would have been nice just to see like a supplementary character or like somebody like who was a wheelchair user

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get eaten by an alien or something like it doesn't it's not necessarily like another like core key character but it's

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just showcasing that like this is not the only person yeah with this experience there's really only

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ever one and and they're often a supporting cast role as well like yeah

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um did you watch the bold type no i didn't i love the bulb type and

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it's about working in magazines and it's pretty it was pretty woke i don't know whether that's a right term to use

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has that been cancelled yet i don't know i don't know it was diverse and they had lots of great issues um like a bit protesty as

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well but all in all there was really only one disabled character and um

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and as a support you know so yeah and that's like you know similar to

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that um and just like that the new sex and the city series ali stroker was in

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she was in the other one as well she was in the box oh there you go there you go there's only one disabled

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person in hollywood i guess was she like a boss ass yes

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yeah okay well there you go she's like obviously getting caught disabled people get timecast too

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[Laughter] i mean it was cool to see her like in a powerful position that's important as

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well to show that like people with disability can like climb the corporate ladder and be the boss but

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she was only in it for like i think five minutes tops in in just like that so i

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was kind of like this is a step but it's not like many steps

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we could do more um the only other thing i like we often do sometimes carly is do a little bit of

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research about what happened behind the scenes the only thing i really found was um i saw an interview where they'd said

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that their casting process was really open um they didn't actually have like too many

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predetermined ideas or kind of characteristics for any of the characters so i thought that was like a

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really interesting thing to point out because that's not often the way that casting like i would say that i've never heard

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that before ever for a show or anything really um usually they have like a very

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strong idea of who's going to be what and they've picked they're like one disabled person and that this is what

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it's going to be and this is what they're going to do um and i thought that was like a really kind of interesting

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thing to point out which you know hopefully some other people in the industry might start adapting so beth

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couldn't played anyone yeah yeah i mean it could have been daryl

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that had you know the facial difference yeah that's what i mean yeah so that's what's really interesting i guess

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probably then the only like disappointing thing going back to the fact that there is only one person with facial difference or an experience of

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disability you know it is kind of disappointing that if it was so open that it wasn't

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there wasn't more representation yeah and that that might have been that there's like actually barriers to opportunity as well which is a whole

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other conversation well i think unless anybody else has

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anything super important they want to share about mallory towers it might be time to give out pause on the idr scale

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yeah i i would probably give it a four and a half yeah yeah i said the same yeah again

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again it would be nice to just sort of uh explore the idea of having you know those characters be invested in a

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community that they could they could find and identify with um but yeah i think they'd really

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from the original text they'd really just tried to make it as diverse as possible so they have kind of picked a little bit of everything so i understand

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why that might not have been the case uh yeah i thought it was yeah i think if you looked at it yeah like as general diversity you'd

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probably say that it's almost a five um yeah but you know when we're looking at disability representation i'd agree it's

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a four and a half out of five for me as well it was so good and it was so wholesome

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and if we're ever in lockdown again just watch it i mean watch it it was a really nice thing to watch

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and like such a nice like not to diminish it but like a nice easy watch too and that's what we need sometimes

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it's like to escape the stressful and actually in the same interview they were talking

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about like escapism as well and i was like yes that's exactly what i felt when i was watching it like i was like ah

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take me back to the school when i talked with beth for the interview one of the things i asked is

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if she's friends um with the girls that she filmed with and she is like

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yeah it was just really lovely that they all became friends on screen and off screen and i think that seemed to be the same with um the girls from the

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babysitters club as well which was also released around that time also has some good disability representation in the

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second series perfect well that's it for this week everyone thank you so much for joining us carly and obviously thank you robin

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