Nina Tame: 'Finding Nemo'

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coming up on reframed along with this week's special guest nina tange very

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very excited to have on today we'll be discussing a good old classic disney film

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finding nemo they're not going to fix it you know they're not going to come up with the cure for it because there isn't one what i saw on screen i i love pretty

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much all of it so i was a bit like i'm on team nemo

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welcome back to reframed the podcast that reframes how disability is portrayed in film and tv

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i'm your host jason claimo and today i have my wonderful co-host with me stephanie dower

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and along with this week's special guest nina tame which i'm very very excited to have on

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today we'll be discussing a good old classic disney film finding nemo but before we do let's say

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hello to nina and learn a little bit more about them so welcome to the podcast nina thank you for having me

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thanks for being here did you want to just kick us off by telling everyone a bit about you and what you do

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yes i am nina and i'm a disability advocate a writer a mentor some would

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say influencer which makes me want to vomit but i'm still i'm still gonna say it um yeah that's what i do i do most of my

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work on instagram i make a lot of content around disability and dispelling the kind of outdated myths around

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disability as well as kind of using my background in counseling to kind of

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mentor other disabled people so that's who i am i mean yeah as you said you're

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very active on social media which we absolutely love uh one particular topic

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you quite often mention is how parents talk about their disabled children

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online um can you you know which is obviously very relevant to this episode if we'll be talking about finding nemo

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um can you sort of elaborate on some of the main things that you have um highlighted in

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your own content around this topic yeah of course so i was born with spina bifida um and i've also got one of my

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sons i've got four kids and one of my sons has got spina bifida as well and when he was first born um i didn't even

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identify as being disabled back then and like a lot of parents you know like we were offered termination after

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termination during my pregnancy just because he had the same thing as me and kind of by the time he was born i just

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sort of wanted to share about him from the rooftops and i did i used to share

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kind of physio appointments on my instagram and all of this stuff and then as i kind of went along in my journey

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and i embraced being disabled i found the disabled community i suddenly was doing so much learning um in such a

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short space of time like i sort of you know was reading about the social model of disability and found the disabled

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community online it was just like this all of this stuff seemed to happen at once and my brain was just like okay

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we've got a lot of unlearning to do um and as i became sort of although i was born disabled i didn't sort of start

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using mobility aids until about nine years ago um and obviously like everybody as soon

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as i started using mobility aids it was the constant sort of questions from strangers

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and then when my kid started school he was getting the same thing and when he first started school we would encourage

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him just to answer you know we informed him all about his condition so he'd be empowered to answer those questions but

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he still was so kind of like you know just had enough of it he just wanted to play he didn't want to be

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questioned constantly and then we were like you know what you don't have to answer you don't have to answer those

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questions like at all you can literally tell people to bugger off it's none of their business

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but i realized that i was empowering him that he didn't have to answer but at the same time a stranger could go on my

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instagram and then read about his medical stuff on there and suddenly it was like oh my god what am i doing no

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like um and it was just this real sort of big light bulb moment for me um you know in regards to his boundaries so

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you know we stopped sharing he you know he'll appear occasionally in my stories and that's it but i won't talk about

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anything to do with his medical stuff because that's nobody else's business and i

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think that you know as you know disabled people are so often seen as medical curiosities and

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that's all anybody wants to know about they don't really care about the sort of societal issues we face like you know if

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you're a wheelchair user lack of access everything else but they'll want to know why you're in a wheelchair what's wrong

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with you um and i just think it's this same kind of

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pattern that's happened forever with disabled people we're just seen as medical curiosities so

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i kind of sort of it's something i talk about on my instagram you know a fair amount is this kind of

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you know share your disabled kids obviously like you would your non-disabled kids but if we're not sort of sharing our

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non-disabled kids medical stuff on instagram which i'm sure some parents are but for on the whole people wouldn't

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be like oh yeah you know tommy you had a doctor's appointment today and this is what happened you know then don't do it for your

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disabled kids like how lovely just to see a family and one of them happens to be a kid in a wheelchair or a kid with

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crutches or or whatever like we just i don't feel that anybody benefits any

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strangers on the street or online benefit from knowing about spina bifida knowing what it is they're not going to

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fix it you know they're not going to come up with the cure for it because there isn't one whereas if they knew

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more about the sort of societal barriers that i face and other disabled people face those are the things that can be

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changed um i remember once like years and years ago

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right so i'd i'd put some cake this is this is relevant okay so i'd put i put

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some cake in the bin and then realized that that was a mistake so i ate the cake from the bin and i put it on as a

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facebook status as you do just eating some cake out the bin because those are the sort of interesting statuses that i

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used to do sort of 15 years ago um and then the next morning as i was

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taking one of my other sons to school his friend shouted across the road your mum eats cake out of bins because

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his mum had been my friend on facebook and he'd seen it it was fine you know it was fine but

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i use that to highlight how you know on social media nothing is necessary you know it's not private and if you are

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sharing about your disabled kids incontinence issues or something and there is a very real chance that

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that could get back to you know kids in their class and kind of

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if my mum had put on the internet about my incontinence when i was a kid i think i'd have needed therapy for life um yeah

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and i just think you know you're sharing you know parents and i know that the intention behind it is good and it's

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about you know education and normalizing and everything else but you're still sharing really personal details about

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somebody who you know once they're out there they're out there and you know we all know sort of

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you know for me there was a big difference for me being a kid with a disability to being a teenager with a

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disability you know yeah that is just somewhat harder and your

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feelings change towards it so i just yeah i'm just very very against it

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yeah and it's the whole like you know conversation around consent and all that kind of stuff as well like it's

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it's a big conversation but i think you tackle it so well and with your own lived experience as

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well just really laying it out for people to just be like it's just not necessary anyway

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like you've said like telling your mates how you know your

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kids or medical appointment went like how does that benefit anybody other than just like creates more curiosity

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out there in society because they're like oh did you see nina's son did this and it's like

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oh my god it's just exhausting and it's not actually like doing anything beneficial for any disabled people in

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society at all i think it also reinforces the fact that like you know uh people feel too comfortable sometimes

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coming up to people with disabilities and asking them curious questions like not every person with a disability is

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exists to educate you or to you know to the example of something if a person

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with a disability grows up and wants to educate others through their own lived

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experiences like kind of what we're doing on this podcast they will make that decision and they won't you know as

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a child they can't make that decision for themselves necessarily they don't understand you know i used to say to

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clark oh is it okay if i share this and he'd say yeah because he didn't really know what that was what he was doing

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you know what that meant um and i just sort of like you say it just normalizes that entitlement to know

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what a disabled person's medical thing is and there's this amazing book um by

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james catch polls called what happened to you um because james grew up as an amputee

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and so he's wrote this children's book all about how you know he just wants to play you don't need to know these kind

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of questions but interestingly there's another kid's book called just ask which is literally got um the complete

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opposite message which is like yes disabled children just want to be spoken to so just go and ask them about what's

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and it's like there's a very fine line yes yeah it's like just you have to be careful with

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that messaging like so carly finlay a previous guest of ours wrote a book called say hello and the

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whole messaging around that is like don't don't teach your kids to ignore disabled people either and not look like

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don't do the whole like oh don't look don't look sort of thing for people who have like visible disabilities um

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but yeah you need to be careful about the whole like just us because it's like okay well i'll ask everything

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i think i think i think the messages is like think about okay if this was a

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non-disabled person would i be reacting in this way or would i be asking these

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questions if you if the answer is no don't do that or if somebody asked me

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this question would it feel invasive yes or no yes yes yeah probably don't ask it

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well i think it's just you know teaching kids the you know when you become friends with

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somebody that's the natural part of friendship is that you both divulge little bits like little tidbits about

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each other and you know as you're ready yeah as you're ready and then the other person might share something and then

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that's what brings you closer but just going up to somebody even if it's not you know we teach kids that you wouldn't

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go up to somebody and comment on their weight you know we teach them that and really i think it

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should just be we don't comment on people's bodies full stop you know and i

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think i think that goes for grown-ups and kids and you know we don't need to be commenting on people's size or their

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mobility aids or you know whatever it is it's just yeah more related to what we're talking about on the podcast today

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why do nina think genuine representation of disability in film and tv is so

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important because i think that you know people's idea of disability

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hasn't particularly moved on you know since the days where we were either being put in care homes or we

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were being put in a room at home and we never sort of saw the world and because a lot of people don't necessarily know a

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disabled person people's ideas of disability are formed through

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tv and media and currently obviously bar you know i know you've discussed some excellent

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sort of shows already but in general we know that the portrayal of disability is you know pity

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or inspiration porn or as a vehicle for a non-disabled person to be a superhero

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like literally yeah and that's it you know so i totally get why for most people

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they do feel uncomfortable around disability they do so still feel this um entitlement to ask about medical because

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again if you ever see a disabled person more like um you know news article or in

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those sort of uh programs you'll always find out what their diagnosis is always

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always i always feel like i'm not allowed to be on anything and it's almost like we have to give

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that over we're going to give you this airtime but we do need to know what's wrong with you just in case we could capture the trade it's the trade the

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trade but isn't that like that with everything though whatever we need to access as disabled people you have to

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give over a little bit of your dignity first and then you can and i've i've like started to refuse and i haven't

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probably done a lot of media stuff other than like this obviously um for a while and

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a few years ago i was like refused and obviously it's out there what my

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diagnosis is and so they've like gone and found it and included it in like the heading anyway and i just was like oh my

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god like why would you even like you know it was at the start of our conversation i was like oh yeah i'd prefer not to have that in the article

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if you're like oh well i need to have it in there then i would be like okay well i'm probably not the best person to have

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this article on then find someone else i mean i will i tend to always

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mention it like yeah but i like that to be my decision i don't want that to be

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you know my medical i'm happy to be called you know you know i identify as being disabled and i'm happy with that

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wheelchair user whatever else but i don't feel my actual medical diagnosis has any

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great bearing on anything because myself and you jason have very different diagnosis but we also both share very

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similar things because we're both wheelchair users yes you know so that's kind of

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yeah so i think representation in its current kind of form although it is slowly getting better it's still just

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can't say the word but still kind of um you know keeps these kind of stereotypes

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and everything going um whereas when you kind of have

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you know like there's just i love seeing incidental disability in sort of films

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and tv where you know you don't ever find out what's wrong with them that the actual it has nothing to do with their

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disability um it's just a disabled person and i think the more we kind of

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have that and obviously i know not all disabilities are visible but talking as somebody you know who is a wheelchair

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user so from my point of view the more we sort of see wheelchair uses people with crutches walking sticks whatever else

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and you know it isn't about their disability it just becomes then this other part of life no different to how

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people aren't weirded out by somebody who wears glasses because you know if every time you had somebody in a film

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who wore glasses you know you had to find out why they were glasses and when did they start using them and you know

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in the film actually has to be about this person with their glass it would be ridiculous and that's what i want to see

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with disability and that's why i just think representation is such an important step um because while

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we're still kind of seen as this other um we're not seen as even having the same

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needs as everybody else so we're not seen as people who want to go out with more than just their carer you know

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we're not seen as needing an education or needing to be paid the same because people don't even think we work in the

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first place you know it's i think true representation i mean it sounds like gross saying it but it humanizes us

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and it shouldn't even be like that but we are seen as not the same as like almost these

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different species of people um so i think yeah representation is just massively important in my opinion

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well i think we agree here given the podcast that we do um couldn't agree more

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so where can our audience follow you or if they want to perhaps work with you sometime

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where can they where can they find you online mainly instagram i'm sort of nina tame

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instagram facebook tick tock just yeah but my tic tocs basically everything from my instagram with an occasional

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video where i try and do a trend like the young people and it doesn't work so that's that's all there is on there

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it's bad i'm gonna go watch all of those now don't do that

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please go give nina a follow she is just delightful and also when she's not being hilarious she's

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i mean i feel like you're also educational and hilarious at the same time so even when she's educational she's still hilarious you'll love it

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you'll learn heaps i know like you know i feel like advocates learn from each other all of the time but i still learn

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so much from you nina and just your own experiences and the way that you actually explain things in such an eloquent way

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so i really appreciate having you in my life and i think that everybody who's following along today uh with this

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episode should go and give you a bit of a follow and show you lots lots of love so you're so sweet that made me feel a

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bit emotional i think it's because my periods do it's not just that was really nice thanks jason

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now time to jump into our film for today which is finding nemo

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steph did you want to give us i mean do we even need it i feel like we don't even need it but just do it anyway for

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the formalities of it let me humor you okay let me tell you surely everybody's seen it by now

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i don't know i think you'll find some people out there i mean they're a little behind the times but they may be out there

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um so for those who are not aware uh finding nemo is a disney pixar animated

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classic that follows an overly cautious clown fish named marlon as he embarks on a

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journey to find his son nemo who has been abducted by a scuba diver and is taken from the great barrier reef all

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the way down to sydney along marlin's journey he meets an eclectic mix of sea creatures including

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sharks turtles pelicans and of course the ever lovable and yet slightly

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forgetful dory uh now the main reason that we're talking about finding nemo here on

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reframed is nemo himself is actually born with an underdeveloped finn

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plus there are other scatterings of disability representation in other characters throughout the film so

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lots to explore lots to discuss um who wants to kick it off nina you can start us off but we are

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just initial thoughts i think first of all it's just to see disability framed

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in a kind of neutral slash positive light um compared to where most the time

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in disney films disability is very much the villain of the film um you know when we look at so many

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characters over the years that you know are the villain and they are you know portrayed as having a disability so for

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a start i just i think that's lovely how it's kind of seamlessly in there um and

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maybe you know for a lot of people it wouldn't even register that oh this is a disabled character but if you are a kid

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that's got a limb difference or something like that then you are going to relate to that which i just think is

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lovely on that i so like i've acquired my impairment for anyone who's new to the

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podcast and didn't know that already um and prior to acquiring my pam impairment

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i had obviously seen finding nemo a few times and i literally was that person that just didn't even register that the

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film featured any kind of characters with disability let alone so many like there's probably

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more than we'll even have time to talk about today and now looking back at that like literally it probably didn't even

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registered to me until we actually started doing reframed and i actually started jotting

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down like different films that i wanted to analyze and finding nemo was one of them and i was like oh my god there is

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so much disability representation in this and it's actually really good but at the time when i first watched it just

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didn't actually register to me and it's that whole incidental or incidental enough i guess like it's not fully

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incidental but it's incidental enough that people go this is just a normal part of the normal

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part of the kind of diversity in the characters um and so then it's that and it's that type

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of portrayal that then helps them have those same thoughts about real disabled people in the real world

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i think that's what animation can do so well isn't it it can transport not just

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kids but adult audiences as well into these worlds where we sort of remove the

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preconceived connotations that we bring to humans that we you know different

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kinds of human beings different kinds of experiences and we can sort of strip that away and just give ourselves into

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this world of diversity that um the pixar of course and disney well

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pixar in particular is so so good at doing um yeah i think you know i know when i

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obviously was a kid and watching finding nemo for the first time even as someone who grew up with

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disability i didn't look at it and i was like this is a disabled film like it was just a good movie and it felt

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like i don't know anyone that couldn't relate to someone in that film because of the diversity of it it wasn't just

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even disability so um i think yeah i think it's if we could see more of that

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this kind of representation um particularly in kids films because kids then grow up and hopefully take that

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through the rest of their lives um yeah like it's it's what we want to see more of yeah

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yeah i don't know if we're supposed to like i don't know if i'm allowed to mention another thing and i actually can't remember the name of it either but

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there was this was the name going out it's a recent film about the boys who are fish and they're boys and then

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yeah and i just we watched that and like the dad who had this sort of limb difference who was so matter-of-fact

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about it and he was just like i just loved him like just little bits like that where it's just yeah you know

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there's none of the other sort of you know like with nemo there's not you know you're not sort of automatically

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being like oh what an inspirational little disabled fish you know

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it's so woven in there so beautifully that you know it's not through that well this

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is an inspirational film about a disabled person overcoming the odds you know it's not got any of that and as you

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say it's often not until afterwards and somebody points it out or whatever that you're like oh right yeah they were disabled um

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and i think that kind of just shows that sort of spectrum of of human diversity that so often it's like disabled

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non-disabled when it's not like that you know it's it's so much broader than that

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and and it's not even you know obviously uh we've talked about how there are different types of disability

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representation in this um mental health as well like marlon marlin is not also

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first of all this is actually marlon's film like i know the title is holding nemo marlon is the protagonist we follow

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his journey nemo has his own little journey in the fish tank but this is marlon's journey and it's about him

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overcoming his overprotectiveness and his very deep-seated anxiety which is

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well justified given the beginning of the film but um yeah so it was really i think it's

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quite interesting to see the different types of disabilities it's not just physical it's not just cognitive with

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dory it's mental health as well with the anxiety that marlon is feeling and facing so and it's the exact thing that

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we like constantly are asking for on this podcast from film and tv shows that feature you know

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that aren't animations like feature like real humans i guess um is that we don't we we need more than

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just that one token disabled experience in the film like it isn't just one disabled experience in the world so when

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you're building the world around around your film you need to actually have multiple experiences factored in

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to the narrative like you might not even have more than two disabled characters but it needs to be clear that there's more than just one

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disabled person in that universe and more than one disabled experience which i think finding nemo just does so well

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and like you said is sort of the power of animation as well as and they can create characters and do what they like with them which is great i think like

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probably the biggest like thing that i love and like at times like hated whilst

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watching is marlon and his transformation as a parent

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of a fish with disability or a person can we say person fish i don't know

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whatever having it having a disabled son um but you know from the start it's all

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about like you just can't nemo and it's like essentially removing nemo's own agency to actually make decisions for

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himself and really reinstilling in nemo that you can't do things because you're disabled

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um or you know i'm deciding for you because you're disabled that you know gave me the ick but you

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know in in the same respect like it's important i guess in some ways to actually demonstrate that experience

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because it's a real world experience for some disabled children as well but then towards the end of the film

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what i love is that you kind of get different epiphany moments within characters and their own beliefs of

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other characters and you know what they need and you know i guess nemo gets his own agency back in

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some respects because marlon has that epiphany moment and actually transforms his own perception of disability no i i

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feel the same because i remember watching it obviously a lot younger than i am now and feeling that same kind of ick and kind of being

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reminded of maybe some of my experiences where i was told well you know you can't do that because you're disabled you

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can't do that that will hurt your back you know whatever it was so i was a bit like i'm on team nemo um

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but actually you know i can kind of relate now as a mum to a disabled kid that sort of you know there is that you

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know worry and you know i think i can kind of relate more now to

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the dad and understand why he had that kind of extra anxiety about you know

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sending his kid because it's anxiety-inducing anyway with all your kids but you know if you know that you

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you know for me i know that i sort of worry in different ways about my disabled kid which is more to

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do with how the world will perceive him how the world would treat him you know all of that stuff that i don't want him

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to have to deal with but i know he will and you know obviously we you know we empower him to be able to do that but

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yeah i think that that sort of change that realization at the end that you know well maybe i didn't give my kid

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enough credit um maybe i didn't give them enough autonomy um is beautiful to

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you know because i think you know in real life i've seen parents kind of have that journey and be a bit like oh god i

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don't know if i want to let them go and do that but actually i'm just going to sit on my feelings and i'm going to let

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them because it's important that they can um because i think you know i

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i probably grew up quite nervy and not somebody now who's very good at

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trying new things and stuff like that so it's always you know i mean we go the opposite with clark if he even tries to

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use his as an excuse like do not use your disability as an excuse that's terrible you can do it um

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you know it's important to us that we don't ever sort of hold him back with

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our own you know anxieties and stuff and and i think that's what um is important

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to point out with marlon's reaction to nemo is that was actually marlon's sort of issues that he had to

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work through it wasn't actually because of nemo or nemo's disability it was

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marlon had first of all a traumatic experience at the beginning of the film where he lost his wife and his other

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unborn or soon to be born children um so nemo is like his one

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one you know family member left so you know and obviously he's just a very anxious fish to begin with so it was

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actually marlon's issues that he had to deal with um and that's what he that's what he got on this journey was

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understand himself better and nemo got to have his own experience in his own um coming-of-age journey um elsewhere and

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so then when they came back together they knew each other better no sorry knew themselves better and could better

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relate to each other and understand each other's perspectives better so i think just you know not not just from a

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disability perspective but just a relationship perspective and that you know coming to learn who you are as a as

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a person perspective like i think um they touched on a lot a lot in this film

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um a lot of growth yeah and i think that's why so many people relate to it is because like

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there's that such strong focus on like relationships like you know it's about

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parental relationships about um relationships between friends around about relationships between like almost

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strangers as well when nemo is like thrown into the tank and is introducing himself to all these new people and

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almost kind of has to justify his existence and all that kind of stuff as well and

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speaking of that i feel like there's one point where i just don't know how i feel about it

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and maybe i'm reading into it too much this is why i'm bringing it up because i want someone to tell me what they think

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is the part where nemo is like actually escapes out of the tank and i

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don't know i feel like it's like built up into this whole like it's not going to be able to do it because of his fin

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but then he does it and i'm like is this some sort of like weird ploy at overcoming disability or

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am i am i stretching somebody just sought me out here i i i sort of thought a bit more on this um in preparation for

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our conversation and what it was actually was nemo had sort

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of taken on board maybe a little too much of his his father's

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anxieties and worries about him and he was as um as you were saying nina um he was

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actually using his disability as an excuse kind of he was thinking like no i can't

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do it i can't do it whereas the other fish in the tank particularly gill who was almost like became kind of

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like a mentor um to nimei because he actually shared the same um uh finn deformity um he was actually

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being like no you know don't use that as an excuse don't let us he do you know you can do

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it you are actually strong enough in yourself that you can do that so it may have been slightly inspirational porn

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ish if you read it in that way but i actually think it was just a great moment for

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nemo to understand his in his inner strength and sort of strip away some of his father's

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over protectiveness and and anxieties around and sort of um yeah again sort of it was more of a

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coming-of-age moment rather than uh yeah true he didn't overcome his he didn't fix his disability yeah but he kind of

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used it to his advantage so which i think i don't know i think

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sometimes if i can use my disability to my advantage i i see that as a good thing

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yeah i think it goes to show though isn't it that how much we're kind of pigeonholed and sort of suffocated by

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that sort of inspiration poor narrative that actually sometimes there might be

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stuff that we achieve you know like i might do something like i don't know the other day i stood up

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for about 60 seconds in the kitchen while jace was like holding me and i was like oh well done me but then i'm like

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oh god i'm inspiration pawning myself like you know i think it's it's hard for

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us us as disabled people to kind of have these achievements with our bodies without fear like without that narrative

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coming in oh well you've overcome your disability then we'll know clearly yeah in heaven i'm still in a wheelchair you

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know and it's but i think it's you know it's the same as i think you know how sometimes it's hard to express anything

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negative about being disabled without you know a non-disabled person waiting in the wings to go ha ha i told you it

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was terrible i knew you were a fraud you you hate it see we were right yeah so i think it's sort

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of yeah i think with that kind of scene it's i can see why in your head you'd be a bit like oh is that a little bit like

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that um yeah and i actually think that like it was something more like actually

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in my own beliefs and in head that i had to probably actually hear someone else explain to me because i'm also like it

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also i think i think it came down to the whole that we have this whole like protective

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gross thing where it's like we can't push disabled people to like challenge

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themselves we just need to make sure they're always just comfortable because they can't be challenged because

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otherwise they'll just break and i feel like that's actually where i was going with that thought without even

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realizing is that like actually that moment was about coming of age about nemo being like i can challenge myself i

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can't do everything but i can challenge myself to do this and this is something that i can do i'm gonna go and do it

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like it's outside of my comfort zone but i can get outside of my comfort zone

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so anyway it's time to give our scores out of five on the idr scale steph did

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you want to kick us off what did you score funding nemo yeah i i sort of struggled with coming up with

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the score for this one um because in terms of like what i saw on screen i i

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loved pretty much all of it like there wasn't there wasn't much that i could could pull down but

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i'm guessing given the year that this was made back in the early 2000s i don't

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think authenticity behind the scenes probably was was a priority back then and i i didn't see

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any um information online about if there was any sort of

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disability consultation or disability um you know disabled people working behind

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the scenes so i'm not really sure if that can factor into my score but it

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might a little bit i think i've come to the decision that i'm gonna give it a four

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out of five um because yeah what i saw on screen loved it um

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a very i think a very important film um for disability representation given

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given the time as well it's um it was used very well yeah yeah

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i was very similar i couldn't find anything about like any disabled people working as writers or even like you know

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obviously as consultants which we don't love that whole concept but um

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yeah and i wasn't even sure about um the voice actors or anything as well so i'm going to give it a 4.5 because i'm going

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to take most of it on face value and i feel like it was a really great

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representation and i feel like like you've said and like we've said it so many times like having these types of

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portrayals in kids and animation films is just so great and it's so informative

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for the for where we're going into the future as well so um makes me very excited obviously

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they're building on that and it was on god almost 10 years ago which scares me that this came out um and they've got a

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ways to go as well no i don't know it was almost 20 sorry god

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sorry you just lost 10 years sick sorry nina

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um yeah i would say four because i think the actual you know on the face value of it the

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representation you've got there and how much that would mean to you know always think about always think about the kids

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how much that would mean to a disabled kid i think is lovely but as you said i don't feel like

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it was intentionally made to be like let's make a great kids

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film for disabled kids that they i don't feel like i feel like it was almost accidental um

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yeah that would that would be that way and also i would i always feel like it's people seem to find it easier to discuss

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disability with animals like a lot of disabled kids books will be a bear

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that's got one leg or a giraffe that's whatever like yeah i would just yeah just again longing for the day where we

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kind of see that you know as a kids thing but with actual you know whether they're animated yeah

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on humans yeah humans yeah like we want to see like inside out or soul or something

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like that like human looking concentration but human based characters

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that have disability yeah yeah and that they don't kind of interesting point that like you know almost 20 years ago

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they were getting it right with fish but they're not really doing it now with their human animation characters yeah we

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watched have you seen um have you seen shazam no so it's not really it's not really a

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children's children's film but maybe sort of older children and it's a it's a superhero film but there's a kid in it

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with crutches he's amazing throughout the whole film you don't know why he's got crutches but at the end i'm about to

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give you a big spoiler for it as well he becomes like all this group of kids they all become superheroes but he loses his

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crutches and i remember loving it up until that point where i thought that

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would have just been such a good move to have turned those crutches into you know given them a little gadget or something

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that went with it but no you chose to remove the disability because now he's a superhero and that was like yeah

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that's overcoming disability that 100 that is overcoming disability but also it's like you could make him fly and

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like his crutches could just like stick to his back and then when he's like walking around he just needs his

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scratches but they're just yeah they could have got lasers in him or something it's yeah

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still got a long way to go we do we do on that note i do want to say a big

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thank you to the two of you for joining me on this week's episode and thank you everyone at home for following along as

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well listening watching along with this week's reframed episode we want to hear

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nina for joining us oh thank you for having me thank you it was a fantastic

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conversation and we will see you all again next week with another fantastic episode of reframed

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bye

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