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coming up on reframed this week's
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special guest which is graeme innes
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and today we'll be discussing the peanut
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butter falcon i love the name i love all
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the south american oh you know southern
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american stuff in the movie it's awesome
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the accents and almost for a second was
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like oh no they're gonna fall into a
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chat here and
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i have nothing much but praise for this
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film i thought it was i thought it was
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quite genuinely um generally a nice film
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so welcome back everyone to reframed the
Welcome
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podcast that reframes how disability is
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portrayed in film and tv
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i'm your host jason climo and today i
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have the wonderful stephanie dower with
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me as my co-host
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along with this week's special guest
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which is graeme innes
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and today we'll be discussing the peanut
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butter falcon which is a very
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interesting film
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and i'm very excited to get stuck into
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analyzing that one but before we do
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let's learn a bit more about graham sure
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well i was a commissioner at the human
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rights commission for about 10 years
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and
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after that i
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have become a
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consultant and a company director so i
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now sit on about four or five different
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boards of uh organizations
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for purpose organizations
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um and when i left the commission i
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realized that
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the major barrier that people with
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disabilities experienced in australia
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was the attitude barrier so
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i and a few other people founded
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attitude foundation uh which of course
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having made the perspective shift series
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um is is uh
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making the the uh reframed podcast uh
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with uh you two and and robin and uh
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it's in my podcast app of choice uh one
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of my favorite podcasts
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i think he said you were maybe our
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number one fan
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oh well i'm certainly a fan there's no
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doubt about that
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we love it it's always nice to talk to a
Representation
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fan um
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graeme do you want to just talk a bit
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about
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we were talking just before the two of
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us and
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can you just sort of share your thoughts
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on
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what representation in
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things like film and television actually
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do to combat that attitude barrier that
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you were talking about
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well you cannot be what you cannot see
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and so um if we're not seeing people
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with disabilities uh on screens on our
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on our smart
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screens or on our television screens or
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movie screens uh then we're not getting
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a true picture of the whole population
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and so i think it's critical
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i think it's critical to people with
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disabilities getting jobs uh being able
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to participate
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and interact in the community
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and to full inclusion so
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we have to get better representation on
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screens
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and
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i think
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four percent currently is the screen
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australia um
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numbers and they've done the research on
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it and that just sucks in terms of uh
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in terms of what the real population
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numbers are between around 21
Quotas
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yeah and i guess on that like i i've
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heard you talk a lot about percentages
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and and quotas is something that i
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wanted to ask you about is is quotas
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something that you feel is
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a good way to reform the industry like
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all about creative industries in terms
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of becoming more inclusive and
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representing people with disability
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i'm careful jason not to use the word
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quotas not because there's anything
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wrong with the word but because of the
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pejorative meaning that it's uh that
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it's now um
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um you know received
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so um quotas uh are viewed negatively
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because you know we have to get a
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certain percentage of people whether
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it's women or people with disabilities
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or people from different cultural
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backgrounds
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i use the word targets
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and my target is
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21 because that's where we sit in the
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population uh so um but i'm i'm very
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convinced that if we don't set targets
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we won't
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we won't move the the needle on this at
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all because
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we haven't really
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with a few small exceptions set targets
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for employment of people with
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disabilities and the unemployment gap
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between people with disabilities and the
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general population
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sits at 30 percent we are 30 percent
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less employed than uh the general
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population and that gap has not changed
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in three decades so it's quite clear to
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me that the only thing that works is
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targets
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yeah
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absolutely
Targets
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i think that's so important i think it's
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it's about languages and it's about
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here we go reframing how we
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think about that you know a quota sounds
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like something that
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we have to do we're forced to do whereas
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a target is something we can aspire to
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something we can we can reach for
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well um yeah and not just aspire to but
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want to do and um
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and so
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we in business everywhere else we set
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targets you know it is um there's
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ethical reasons it's just the right
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thing to do to include all um members of
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the community and um it's the right
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thing for a range of reasons firstly
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because the a fully inclusive community
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will be a stronger community because
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everyone's participating everyone's
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putting in there are there are no
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barriers
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and
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what it will do
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is move
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people with disabilities and others off
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welfare and into paying tax so we'll
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actually build the economy and you know
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when you go to a function whether it's a
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barbecue or a christmas party
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or a cocktail function the first
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question people ask you is what do you
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do
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so we rate people buy their jobs and the
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fact that they have jobs so if we've got
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a 30 uh jobs gap as i've described
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then there's significant social
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disadvantage for people with
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disabilities as well as economic
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disadvantage so
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inclusion means everyone wins
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yeah absolutely
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so i love that
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was there anything else you wanted to uh
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school us on before we move on i feel
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like you're just such a beacon of
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knowledge that i'm like
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we need to just share as much as we
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possibly can oh you're very generous
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jason
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look i i
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i certainly want to raise some issues as
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we talk about the uh the movie uh no
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doubt we'll talk more about
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inclusion and and stuff like that i also
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want to raise the question of audio
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description um because you know um it's
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the reason i don't watch that many
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movies um because
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most movies or many movies are not audio
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described
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and as we as we get to talk about uh
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peanut butter falcon
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what i plan to do because i i couldn't
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watch it with audio description i
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couldn't find audio description for the
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movie um and what i would normally do is
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then watch it with someone else and get
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them to fill in the gaps i chose not to
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do that this time and i want to share
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those gaps with you
Synopsis
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so the peanut butter falcon
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came out in 2019 in cinemas here in
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australia and it is an adventure drama
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that tells the story of
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zack who is a young man living with down
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syndrome or trisomy 21.
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um he's living in a residential nursing
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home over in america and he has an
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obsession a dream to become a
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professional wrestler and has an idol
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and he sets out on this basically he
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escapes from this nursing home and sets
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out on this
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nomads adventure uh who he teams up with
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uh shia labeouf um
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and uh the two of them embark on this
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adventure to find this idol wrestler
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that zach has and um
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it's
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what the classic bunny film in my
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opinion it's two guys out in the lamb
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you know they're just making their way
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to their destination any way they can
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and it's it's a fun adventure it's uh
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it's a very interesting adventure i will
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say that
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there's definitely a lot of interesting
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moments throughout
Initial Thoughts
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so graham what were your initial
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thoughts i guess on the portrayal of
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disability
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well i really liked the film i thought
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that the film showed genuine friendship
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um not token friendship um where both
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both friends had something to
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uh to bring uh to the relationship you
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know um
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uh
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zach brought um
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uh zach brought his his strength his
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contribution uh he's his focus
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uh and um
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and his buddy um uh brought skills as
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well uh and as opposed to the the
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genuine the general portrayal portrayal
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of people with disabilities as sort of
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helper or helpee
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um i love the desire for
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self-determination um that lives in most
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of us with with disabilities although
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it's often uh held back by the community
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i really enjoyed the right to take risks
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and
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enjoy life
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and the character was really um
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charismatic so i really loved it
Content Warning
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yeah yeah me too
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i was a big fan i am i think one thing i
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would say is like a bit of a content
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warning for anyone who hasn't already
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watched it is the r word is used
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a fair bit throughout um and it was an
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interesting one though because
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often i really don't enjoy films where
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that word is used but the way that it
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was used in the way that it was kind of
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unpacked and um i guess used as a tool
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to demonstrate like the everyday ableism
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that people disability
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do face in the real world
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was quite interesting and um i guess
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meaningful
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whereas it wasn't you know it was
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explained quite well whereas i feel like
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i've watched films before where the r
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word was used was like i don't think
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this was explained well enough that this
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is not an acceptable word to be using um
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like i feel like you know young children
10:12
watching that film would would watch
10:14
that and see the word used and be like
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oh this is not a good thing to be doing
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there was a really powerful scene
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towards the end of the movie between
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shyla and um
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eleanor who was the um
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well i think became the love interest in
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the end
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and um uh but but she was uh zack's
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social worker at the start uh and um i
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thought there was a very powerful scene
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where
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her desire to care
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was challenged by his desire um shyla's
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desire to um
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uh to support zach in his quest for
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freedom and achievement and uh they both
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spoke very strongly in that scene and i
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thought it very powerfully um addressed
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that r word question that you're talking
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about jason definitely yeah
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steph what were your thoughts
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yeah i'm agreeing with everything you
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guys are saying i really i really
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enjoyed this film
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it was
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it was really refreshing to see
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a young man living with disability in
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this case down syndrome or trust me 21
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and he had like the story was his
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it wasn't
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sort of about the world around him it
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was his story his journey and he really
11:26
had i read a few articles leading up to
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our chat today and they talked about how
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he had agency in the film and
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he was the one that kicked off his
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journey it wasn't like something
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happened to him no he made it happen and
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and that stayed with him throughout the
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entire
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journey um with with this guy that he
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meets and befriends and
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i i love what you said graham about how
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you know i think something about a body
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film
11:53
it's it's two guys or two people
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learning from each other on a journey
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and that's exactly what you said graham
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they it wasn't like shia was just there
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to guide zach on this journey it wasn't
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like you know it was it was a team they
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were a team together and they each had
12:10
their strengths they each had their
12:11
downfalls um so i i thought it was a
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really
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fresh perspective on a disability
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narrative i haven't seen really anything
12:21
much like it even since then
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yeah i
12:25
i have nothing much but praise for this
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film i thought it was i thought it was
12:29
quite genuinely um generally a nice film
How the film came about
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yeah that's awesome and obviously the
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genuine casting is a massive win for us
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even
12:39
did you see um
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so how the film came about i again i
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read this um in an article was um zack
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wanted he's been acting all his life and
12:50
he wanted to be in a feature film and he
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came to i don't know if they were
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friends before this or he met them
12:56
somewhere but he came to the writer
12:58
directors of the film and was like i
13:01
want to be in a feature film
13:02
do you want to you know you want to
13:04
write something for me or you want to
13:05
come on this journey with me and the
13:07
three of them teamed up and this is the
13:10
result so
13:11
again even in real life zach himself
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really had that agency he made he made
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his journey happen so i thought that was
13:19
really cool and that authenticity that
13:21
that genuineness really came through in
13:23
the film
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yeah
The blind man
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love that and there was also like other
13:28
representations of people with
13:30
disabilities so there was the blind man
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who actually shot at them
13:34
i've forgotten his name yeah but he
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cracked me up massively like yeah it was
13:39
hilarious and i um almost for a second
13:42
was like oh no they're gonna fall into a
13:44
trap here and turn this person into i
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don't even know what they were going to
13:47
do with that like i thought they were
13:49
going to play some trick on him and he
13:50
was going to be blind and he wasn't
13:51
going to see them and they were going to
13:53
get away with his boat or something but
13:55
that also turned into like a really
13:56
great moment like he was a very valuable
13:59
person in their journey and and taught
14:02
them a lot as well so
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um i just loved all the interaction i
14:06
think between you know non-disabled
14:08
people and people with disability
14:09
throughout so yeah it was also it was
14:12
also good to see
14:13
i think you mentioned you touched on
14:15
this before jason
14:16
the risk that that each of them took in
14:18
the film like it wasn't a safe sort of
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thing like there is
14:23
one shot comes back to me where
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zack's shooting a gun and the back like
14:29
the backfire sort of like launches in
14:31
backwards
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and i'm like
14:34
you don't you know usually people with
14:36
disabilities again are portrayed like as
14:38
like these helpless individuals and
14:40
you know oh they could never do
14:42
something they couldn't be capable of
14:44
something like that but you see zach
14:45
just launched back and it was it was
14:47
funny you were allowed to laugh at that
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and it
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it humanizes um people disability and
14:54
people like zack so the scene that i
The difference between caring and supporting
14:56
talked about really emphasizes that
14:58
point i just wanted to um yeah agree
15:00
with you because um
15:02
because the scene where shyla and
15:05
eleanor have the argument um
15:08
is all about the difference between her
15:10
caring uh and shyla supporting zack's
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dignity of risk and and uh and freedom
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to pursue his um his goal
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so so i think um what it does what that
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scene does is just um demonstrates that
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difference um as i said between um
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eleanor wanting to care for zach and
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protect zack
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and shyler supporting zach in his
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his quest for um you know freedom and to
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achieve his his goal and um even when he
15:45
meets with his hero
15:47
or his the the wrestling school uh hero
15:50
saltwater redneck
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i love the name i love all the south
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american oh you know southern american
15:55
stuff in the movie it's awesome the
15:56
accents and um
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uh the whole scenes but um
16:01
even when he meets him he's initially
16:04
not sort of supportive of um training
16:07
act but he reassesses his um position
16:10
and it's so that's just another person
16:13
in the movie um reassessing their view
16:15
or their understanding of a person uh
16:18
with a disability and it's awesome to
16:20
see those change journeys i think um
16:22
that really makes uh the movie even more
16:25
valuable for me
Accessibility
16:27
yeah and then like i guess non-disabled
16:29
audience members in in terms of like
16:30
watching the film i i would hope that
16:32
they sort of go on that similar change
16:34
journey as well which is yeah the
16:36
exciting part and the power i guess
16:38
of media and the whole point why we do
16:41
this so absolutely absolutely i know you
16:43
spoke earlier about um some things you
16:46
didn't love about it and in terms of the
16:48
accessibility of accessing
16:51
i guess a fully accessible version of
16:53
the film did you want to touch on that
16:55
sure well um what i didn't love about it
16:58
and i i won't take points off the um the
17:02
movie for this because uh oh maybe i
17:04
will when we get to our scoring um
17:06
but what i love what i didn't love about
17:08
it was that i couldn't find an audio
17:11
description um of the movie and so i
17:14
watched the movie um without audio
17:16
description
17:18
normally i would try to um
17:21
normally i would try and watch a movie
17:23
like that with someone else who could
17:25
fill in the blanks
17:26
in the movie and so i do have some
17:28
blanks in the in the movie and i wanted
17:30
to
17:31
share that with you because from my
17:32
perspective as a as a person who can't
17:34
see the screen it just shows the
17:36
criticality of audio description
17:39
um so there's one part in the movie and
17:41
i've
17:43
discovered this later
17:44
where shyla
17:47
wants to steal a boat from these two
17:49
shrimp um shrimp fishes fishermen who
17:53
are sort of portrayed as the bad guys
17:55
they're probably not really bad guys
17:56
because um
17:58
you know he
17:59
he causes some damage to their their
18:01
business
18:02
and he um and a fire occurs and there's
18:05
about twelve thousand dollars worth of
18:07
damage to the business now i don't know
18:10
whether he
18:11
actively lit that fire as a diversion
18:14
or whether he
18:16
whether it was incidental or unfortunate
18:20
and i still don't know that and the the
18:22
most sad part for me is that
18:25
after
18:26
zack goes to saltwater rednecks training
18:29
school
18:30
all three of them
18:32
eleanor zack and shyla
18:35
head on to florida where shyla was
18:37
planning to go anyway
18:39
and
18:41
all you get is the conversation about
18:43
them arriving in florida
18:45
and then there's a country in western
18:47
song that plays
18:48
about um a house that's like that's set
18:51
up so it becomes a home
18:53
i don't know whether zac and
18:55
sorry whether shyla and eleanor
18:59
formed a relationship
19:00
i think they may have from some of the
19:02
clues in the movie but i don't know that
19:04
for sure and i don't know where zach
19:06
lived in florida did he share the house
19:08
with them
19:09
that's the ending that you would expect
19:11
you know the nice the happy ending to
19:13
the adventure but nothing in the movie
19:15
told me that so um i just wanted to
19:18
share that with both of you and the
19:20
audience because that's a real
19:21
demonstration of the criticality of um
19:25
of the audio description of a lot of the
19:27
visuals that occurred um without any um
19:30
voice interaction to to give me the
19:32
clues as to what was happening
What happened at the end
19:37
yeah and like such a miss opportunity
19:39
there like you've they've created this
19:41
amazing portrayal of disability but then
19:44
you know the fact the industry isn't
19:46
accessible enough to actually give you
19:48
the full i guess the full experience is
19:50
really the way you would say it like you
19:52
don't have that full experience of that
19:54
film now because it's not giving you
19:58
i guess the whole the whole picture
20:00
really correct
20:01
and so you guys have got to help me out
20:03
what happened at the end yeah so i was
20:04
gonna say for your sake uh i believe it
20:08
ends with them like driving off into the
20:10
distance and um shyla buff's character
20:12
sort of puts his hand
20:14
on eleanor's shoulder and then she puts
20:17
her hand on his so i guess
20:19
i think it doesn't actually show
20:21
really we don't know but i think the um
20:24
insinuation would be that they do go on
20:26
and be a family so and that there is a
20:28
romantic
20:30
romantic uh interest between shia
20:32
labeouf's character and eleanor i'm a
20:35
romantic so i'm i'm i'm prepared to if
20:37
it's not clear i'll i'll take that jason
20:39
thank you
20:41
we can all just use our imagination and
20:42
be yeah happily ever after i think i
20:45
think is the intention yeah
20:47
i think that's a really good um sort of
20:50
reflection on
20:52
you know the disability community is
20:55
we're so
20:56
diverse in nature that
20:59
just because you know these filmmakers
21:02
and you know zach himself you know have
21:04
experience with one form of disability
21:06
means that you know it doesn't
21:08
necessarily mean that they are across
21:10
all kinds of accessibility so you know
21:12
it's such a great portrayal but because
21:14
they weren't across or they didn't go
21:16
down the route of um audio description
21:19
then part of the disability community
21:21
you know ironically cannot actually
21:24
fully access this film so i think that's
21:27
something that is very um
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something you know that a lot of people
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don't realize with the disability
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community is we don't know i don't know
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the experience of someone who is vision
21:37
impaired just like someone who's vision
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impaired does not necessarily know the
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experience of someone who is a
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wheelchair user so i think that's really
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important um to sort of get more out
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there instead of
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lumping everyone together you know sure
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there are some shared experiences but
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more often than not we are all very
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different
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individual people
The Inclusive Disability Rating
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now i think it might be time to give our
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scores out of five on the inclusive
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disability representation scale graham
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did you want to kick us off what did you
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give peanut butter falcon out of five
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i love the idr you know i'm really um
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even more a fan of that than the podcast
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if i if that's possible um
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but
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i um
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uh i i rated it highly because i loved
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the movie um and i i rated it hardly
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because i uh the actor was a person with
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a disability so um you don't have to
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mark it down for that jason as you often
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do
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i took off half a point because
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you know the studio or
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um or the the company making it
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available i got it through um apple but
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you know it's probably available in in
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different forms i didn't provide audio
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description so i gave it four and a half
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out of five
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wow yeah lovely stuff yeah i i thought
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this week was going to be a high week i
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mean which is good compared to last week
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we needed a bit of a boost
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um but i so i've based all of my idr
23:11
scores
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off the the content within the story and
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the the
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authenticity in casting and all that
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kind of thing so i'm actually gonna give
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it a five out of five
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um which is i think my possibly my first
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five so
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big moment i think it is
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i feel like you're normally like the
23:30
harshest of us all is that true or maybe
23:32
it's me i can be i feel like we take
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turns we can play good cover yeah
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sometimes yeah true
Final Thoughts
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well i'll i'll be honest whereas i i
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think thank you graeme for educating me
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on the lack of access in terms of
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you know
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on on the other end i guess of when
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you're actually trying to watch the film
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that it's not
23:52
fully accessible at this point in time
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um i would say that i would take off
23:57
half a point for that but otherwise i
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was
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coming into this conversation
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fully intended and giving it a five out
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of five because i just absolutely love
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the way the disability is portrayed it
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feels like i feel like when i watch it
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i can feel that
24:13
people with disability had so much
24:14
agency in actually
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controlling the narrative like it feels
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so genuine and fun and
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not like we are these people that are
24:23
just going to break any opportunity that
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we have out in the real world um so i
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think they did such a great job of
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showing those change journeys i love
24:33
that language i've never heard that
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before i'm going to use that all the
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time now so thank you she probably tried
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to coin that term already graham but now
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it's mine
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i just made it up on the run actually
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jason so that's great i'm using it thank
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you yeah go for it it's yours i love
24:49
like they unpacked so many different
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stereotypes i feel throughout as well
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which is just
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what we need um
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yeah and it was just
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all in all as well it was actually just
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like a really fun
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and interesting to watch it was really
25:03
engaging it was really enjoyable and you
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know zach's charisma just leaps off the
25:08
screen but he was surrounded by also
25:10
like really interesting eccentric
25:13
characters like it wasn't all about zac
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either so um yeah no yeah it's a really
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fun time people should go watch it
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and yeah absolutely
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an important thing to bring up though is
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that like
25:25
stories that are just like so like
25:28
focused on the disability or the
25:30
experience of disability can often come
25:32
across as really tokenistic and that's
25:34
not what's happened here either so
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yes if you haven't watched it you
25:39
definitely need to go and watch it um
25:41
and i think on that note we should uh
25:43
wrap up this week's episode on a very
25:46
happy and high note which is great um
25:48
but let us know what you thought of the
25:50
peanut butter falcon um let us know if
25:52
you've got any questions for graeme as
25:54
well like i said huge amount of
25:56
knowledge and experience here that i
25:58
feel like we need to be tapping into a
25:59
lot more which is great um and yeah you
26:02
can find us on all of our social media
26:05
pages if you basically just search
26:07
reframed podcast you'll find us on
26:09
twitter facebook and instagram we'd love
26:11
to hear your idr scores for the peanut
26:14
butter falcon and any thoughts you had
26:17
or any kind of little bits of analyses
26:19
that you might have thought of when you
26:21
were watching along it's the whole point
26:23
we're trying to turn you all into our
26:24
little reframers as well
26:27
um and help keep this conversation about
26:29
inclusive representation in uh
26:31
mainstream media alive um
26:34
not just a live really actually get it
26:36
get the flame caught on so that industry
26:39
starts taking a bit more notice of
26:41
people's disability the way that we want
26:43
to be represented
26:45
and helps create that change alongside
26:47
us um
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lastly i really just want to say a huge
26:50
thank you as well to the community
26:52
broadcasting foundation who are helping
26:54
to fund this series
26:56
obviously such an important conversation
26:58
to be had so we're very grateful to them
27:01
other than that i think that's it and
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thank you everyone as well at home for
27:05
following along and we'll see you next
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time
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bye
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