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and it's like dispelling that whole myth
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that like people with disability can't
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be romantic or sexual
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welcome back to reframe the podcast
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about disability in media it's episode
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six of reframe now and i'm very excited
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to say i've got my two amazing co-hosts
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with me today i have robin lambert and i
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have stephanie dower so welcome back i'm
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very excited to get stuck into some
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things
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with the two of you and analyze
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disability representation in mainstream
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media yeah we're back very excited
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very very good what have you guys been
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up to robin i feel like you've got some
0:44
pretty exciting years to share with
0:45
everyone fruity hectic um
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not long ago got back from the
0:49
paralympic games which was an absolute
0:51
whirlwind um and just yeah back into
0:54
training because we've got another big
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year next year with um commonwealth
0:58
games and world championships but
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paralympics was awesome it was really
1:03
great actually to see the the coverage
1:05
around that being so great uh
1:08
this year very in-depth and i think a
1:10
lot more balanced conversation focusing
1:13
on the the sport not so much uh people's
1:15
personal stories of disability so it was
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great
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it's always so horrible like in previous
1:20
years when that has happened so much
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um and i feel like you know it probably
1:25
still happened a little bit this year
1:26
but
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not as much and
1:29
for other people with disability i think
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like for me when i watch it i'm like why
1:32
is this relevant why do we need to know
1:34
why and what and how it's like just let
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this person compete and do what they're
1:39
amazing at
1:40
i think this year we had some more also
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like um
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i guess
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profiles of like bigger personalities
1:48
you know like you always
1:49
some of the olympians going over but
1:51
this year i feel like more people knew
1:53
some of the paralympians going over as
1:54
well it's great to see like woolworths
1:56
showcasing and and bw i think like i
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think that i think it really helped that
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a lot of the commentary team as well
2:02
were like ex-athletes and people with
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disabilities so yeah exactly like
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and do you feel like the community is
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kind of getting a bit more around it as
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well in australia definitely i think
2:14
sort of just viewing it as elite sport
2:17
as well and like the achievements as
2:19
being like elite sporting achievements
2:20
rather than just like a fun time for
2:23
people with disabilities to get out
2:24
there like um yeah
2:27
yeah so i think i think that's great and
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again i think it really helped that we
2:29
had like
2:31
some really top-level athletes
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commentating and just explaining the
2:34
whole situation and how it all worked um
2:36
so i think yeah generally the public's
2:38
really getting behind it which is
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awesome also some of those sports are
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like so short i'm like what was i
2:45
watching it was
2:46
it was like
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no it wasn't basketball it was like
2:50
rugby or something
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oh
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and like they're literally like on the
2:57
ground and like they're throwing their
2:59
entire bodies at this wall i was like oh
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my gosh this is like this is insane
3:04
that's so cool like yeah yeah what about
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you jason up to anything special
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yeah so i um have
3:12
obviously my own company my um
3:15
i guess marketing and media company
3:17
which has kind of
3:19
tripled in size i think since the
3:21
start of reframed which is amazing and
3:23
i'm really really happy about that but
3:25
just maybe needing a little bit more
3:27
sleep
3:28
and
3:29
other than that i've been working as
3:31
well a little bit behind the camera
3:33
so a while ago i did a shoot for jam the
3:36
label which was really awesome
3:39
and
3:40
then more recently i was involved in a
3:43
video for melbourne fashion week that
3:44
was more in front of the camera but it
3:46
was around disability inclusion in
3:48
fashion
3:49
um and if you haven't seen that already
3:51
go on to that instagram give it a
3:53
little yeah and share it because it's
3:55
actually really really amazing and
3:57
what they did really well is they learnt
3:59
from their previous years where myself
4:02
and other models of disability had been
4:03
there
4:05
and they've sort of
4:07
tried now instead of just popping us on
4:10
a couple of runways to actually be more
4:11
inclusive throughout the whole event and
4:13
actually become advocates themselves i
4:15
guess or allies
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um so yeah they're using their platform
4:18
i guess to uplift um disabled voices
4:22
in the fashion industry which is amazing
4:24
so anyway that's me i need to shut up
4:26
because i'm talking way too much but i
4:28
was just really happy about it and what
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about you steph 2021 has been
4:32
a very crazy but productive year
4:36
um we
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finally
4:39
wrapped up a year-long development
4:40
program that we've been doing on a
4:42
feature film
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um called seeing scout i think i might
4:45
have mentioned that a couple of times in
4:47
the last last season
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but we're getting some really good buzz
4:51
around it we're getting a lot of um
4:54
really great people interested in
4:55
working on the project which is a uh
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romance drama feature film
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and we're looking to go into production
5:02
next year because we also were granted
5:05
at the end of this at a girl development
5:07
lab that we did we were granted the 25
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000 production grant
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so
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that was like
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oh my god people are actually
5:17
like believe in this project enough to
5:19
you know to give us that and
5:21
it's um yeah it was really great
5:23
confidence boost and
5:24
just showed that yeah like people beyond
5:28
myself and my co-writer and director
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tanya uh
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you know championing this project so
5:33
that was that was really exciting so um
5:36
that was that and then the other i guess
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big accomplishment i had this year was i
5:41
produced a short film that premiered at
5:44
the brisbane international film festival
5:47
last month so that was called sunshine
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and that was um produced with taste
5:53
creative and bus stop films so it was a
5:57
really fun experience working with them
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um really great to to have that full
6:02
producer credit and um
6:04
it was it was obviously a
6:06
very inclusive set given the work that
6:08
both of those companies do so
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uh yeah that was that was really
6:13
exciting and very full on for a while
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but really
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um got to got to test out a few of my
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skills because i was producer editor and
6:22
then at the last minute became first
6:25
assistant director as well
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yeah just uh you know a little bit
6:31
juggling but you know it's fine so yeah
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that was a that was a fun experience so
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yeah 2021.
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god congratulations it's been massive
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hasn't it
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it has been yeah it's it's nice when you
6:47
know when you do things for so long and
6:49
um yeah you start to feel like things
6:52
are paying off
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and people are taking notice which is
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great so
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yeah yeah absolutely nailing it i'm so
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excited so excited for all of us look at
7:03
us nailing it
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if we do say so
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very humbly yes
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love it well it's been lovely to catch
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up on that but let's get stuck straight
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into our piece of media for today which
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for those who haven't already seen on
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our socials
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it is sex education which is obviously a
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very cool one to be doing right now
7:30
young and hit which is exciting steph
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did you want to just give us a quick
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overview of sex education for anyone who
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hasn't seen it
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absolutely yeah sex education is a
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british comedy drama series that is
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streaming on netflix with season 3
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having dropped just a couple months ago
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the show centers around an eclectic very
7:50
eclectic group of students and teachers
7:53
at mordow high school and
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they're all very much exploring and
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experimenting with the many different
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aspects of sex and how it impacts each
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of their lives and talking about
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you know how education plays a role in
8:08
that and
8:09
all this kind of stuff so it's um
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honestly
8:12
much better sex education than i
8:14
remember getting high school so
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if you if you're if you have any
8:18
questions i would say go and watch this
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show so
8:23
oh my god i love that description so
8:25
much literally like the book that um
8:29
the mum writes i've forgotten her name
8:31
but i'm like i want that book yeah and
8:33
you should give that book to like
8:34
everyone i know
8:35
right yeah um
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and i love the the
8:39
you know like the kids are sort of
8:41
confused or curious and experimenting in
8:44
their own way but the adults in the film
8:46
in the show are as well not much better
8:50
they're not no in fact they're doing
8:52
things
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yeah it's um i'm really excited to talk
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about this because i
9:01
people have been telling me to watch
9:02
this show for like the last couple years
9:04
and i'm like yeah yeah i'll get to it
9:05
i'll get to it and then finally this
9:07
year i only just finished streaming it
9:09
like a couple weeks ago and i'm yeah i i
9:13
really enjoyed it the characters are
9:14
great it's um
9:16
really quite well written so i was
9:19
exactly the same everyone kept telling
9:20
me to watch it and it became one of
9:21
those things where i was like
9:23
i kind of don't want to watch this now
9:24
so many people have told me to
9:26
and then we picked it for this and i was
9:28
like i've got to watch it and now i'm
9:30
obsessed
9:32
mad that the last recent season came out
9:35
like two months ago and i have to wait
9:36
probably like a whole year for or longer
9:38
for another season
9:40
at least we know he's important
9:42
yes
9:44
yes so we know that we love the show but
9:46
how did we feel about the disability
9:47
representation
9:49
so i guess do we want to quickly uh
9:52
mention what the disability
9:54
representation actually is probably a
9:55
good idea
9:58
um so because people might watch season
10:00
one and be like what are you talking
10:01
about there's not much going on uh but
10:04
in season two there is a character
10:06
introduced called isaac and he is
10:10
his disability itself is not really
10:12
there's no diagnosis or anything but he
10:14
uses a wheelchair um so that is and he
10:18
lives in the trailer park with one of
10:20
the lead characters maeve and
10:23
um yeah tension arises from there
10:27
yeah
10:28
so robin what did you think i guess
10:32
positive negatives all the things about
10:34
um one of the things that i really
10:36
enjoyed like i said i'm this diagnosis
10:38
is not mentioned which is i think pretty
10:40
cool just in its own right like that's
10:41
not the the main part of his character
10:44
or his narrative in the show but i think
10:46
it was one of the first times i saw
10:49
um a character in a show that appears to
10:51
be quadriplegic and um is played by an
10:54
actor with a disability the same
10:56
disability
10:57
and you know visually has the body of a
11:00
of a
11:01
quadriplegic or someone with a
11:02
disability affecting all forums i think
11:05
often it's quite easy to fit um
11:07
you know a character in a wheelchair
11:09
into into a show but it's very often
11:11
sort of like a paraplegic and everything
11:13
else works works and looks normal
11:17
uh quote unquote normal um so i thought
11:20
that was that was really awesome and
11:21
then again like we mentioned just the
11:23
aspect of romance and navigating
11:26
relationships and sex as a young person
11:28
and then as a young person with a
11:30
disability and some of the the
11:32
challenges or the things that might come
11:34
up because of that i thought that was
11:36
handled um pretty well as well so um
11:38
there's one scene that comes to my mind
11:41
that is one of the
11:44
one of the best scenes i've ever seen
11:46
particularly talking about like
11:48
disability and romance that kind of
11:50
thing and it was it got me going i was
11:52
like this is this is great and i'm not
11:54
gonna do it justice
11:56
talking about it here so please go and
11:58
watch it i think it's in season three
12:01
please go and watch it but it's where
12:03
maeve
12:04
who is the the girl
12:06
in the in the show that isaac is
12:09
interested in and maeve has feelings for
12:10
him
12:11
and there's one moment
12:13
you can sort of see she's like thinking
12:15
about something and isaac is like
12:17
you want to know what i can and can't
12:19
feel right and she's like yes
12:22
and it's this really simple intimate
12:25
moment where he's like put your hand on
12:27
my chest
12:28
and
12:29
she does and like she slowly
12:32
rises her hand up his chest until he's
12:34
like
12:35
there you are and it's so simple and so
12:38
sweet and so intimate but it's just
12:41
i thought it was so well done i really
12:43
love that scene i think that's it like
12:44
when other shows and movies and things
12:46
have tried to tackle this it's been it's
12:48
still been very it's appearing very
12:50
medical like when they explore that and
12:53
it's like almost yeah just sort of
12:55
clinical where this was like just like a
12:57
true intimate moment of how you know if
12:59
you actually cared and loved about
13:00
someone that's how that would go down
13:02
like there's gonna be curiosity you're
13:03
gonna have to figure things out together
13:05
um but it can still be this like really
13:07
tender moment which is lovely and it's
13:09
like dispelling that whole myth that
13:11
like people with disability can't be
13:13
romantic or sexual because
13:15
obviously we know that they can but a
13:17
lot of non-disabled people probably
13:20
i just feel too awkward to ask or like
13:22
just uh so unsure so like i totally
13:25
agree steph they tackled it in such a
13:27
simple but like powerful and educational
13:30
way
13:30
and there's so much power
13:32
in just seeing it on the screen because
13:35
you're right like so many people that
13:37
don't have that first experience of
13:39
disability they just are either too
13:43
too afraid to ask questions or feel too
13:45
awkward and
13:47
and there's so much you know so many mis
13:50
misassumptions out there that people
13:52
with disability can't do certain things
13:54
and
13:55
just seeing it on screen hopefully
13:57
dispels some of those myths being like
13:59
oh it is a possibility oh it can happen
14:01
oh that's
14:02
yeah right so i yeah i thought that was
14:05
great
14:06
yeah one thing i maybe would comment on
14:09
that i don't think i loved is and
14:12
correct me if you disagree and also if
14:14
i'm wrong but i feel like in season two
14:17
like
14:18
95 of the time the only places that we
14:22
see isaac are like in his own
14:25
caravan and i was like
14:27
not sure if they've done an amazing job
14:28
at like dispelling the whole
14:30
i guess myth around the fact that people
14:32
with disability can't get out and about
14:34
and then you stay at home all the time
14:36
yeah that is one thing that that is like
14:38
my biggest um book there with the
14:41
portrayal of isaac is
14:43
we don't know anything about his life
14:45
outside of he lives with his brother in
14:48
a trailer park and he's interested in me
14:51
like that's kind of his whole character
14:53
yeah we don't know how old he is because
14:55
if he is like a heist he's not at high
14:58
school i don't know
15:00
because he doesn't go to school with the
15:01
rest of them um he doesn't appear to
15:03
have a job he's always at home
15:06
unless he's out with maeve like we don't
15:08
i so i would love to see his character
15:11
be built out more
15:13
like beyond just the the sexual
15:15
um you know relationship with i guess um
15:18
just i totally agree with that but just
15:20
on the other hand like a lot of the
15:21
characters that you see in the trailer
15:23
park you only see in the trailer park
15:25
yeah um so i didn't know if it was sort
15:27
of more of like a thing on like class
15:29
and like you know where these people
15:30
might be at in their lives you know
15:32
they're spending a lot of time at the
15:33
park i think
15:35
yeah i agree yeah well i guess you know
15:37
we have to see where they take him in
15:39
reason for like because i i think season
15:42
three like he they tried to make him
15:44
more of like one of the kids like
15:48
it's on the show and it's like okay cool
15:49
but if he is one of the kids
15:52
let's let's became more than just this
15:54
one thing like why is he not at the
15:57
school yeah like just i there was a
15:59
moment where i thought they were going
16:00
to start like integrating him into the
16:03
school um
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and i was like ah okay
16:09
one one moment i really did love that
16:12
had nothing to do with the sex on the
16:14
show it was just real was maeve um took
16:18
isaac to a party at odis house and to
16:21
get to odis's house it's down these
16:23
rocky stairs
16:25
and how many times do we see in film and
16:27
tv
16:28
this person in a wheelchair come to this
16:31
house that appears to only have stairs
16:33
and then magically they're inside they
16:35
just don't show up they're like oh
16:37
they're on the way to the house and now
16:38
they're ready
16:40
it's like okay how how does that work
16:42
but um you know on sex education isaac
16:45
is at the top of the stairs and he looks
16:47
at me it's like how did you think this
16:49
was gonna work and she's like i just
16:51
didn't think and that is that was so
16:54
real and then he had to be carried by a
16:56
group of strong men which i often have
16:58
to be into into the house and i was like
17:01
oh my god that's my life right there it
17:03
was so cool i know it was like a very
17:05
real
17:06
moment but it was awesome i was like
17:09
as soon as maeve as soon as he was like
17:11
inviting himself to the party i was like
17:13
you have no idea you're not gonna get
17:15
inside like i was already thinking about
17:17
already stressed
17:19
yeah because we always have to think
17:21
about it yeah yeah
17:23
that's it yeah i love that he wasn't
17:26
he he had the confidence to invite
17:28
himself he wasn't afraid of like what if
17:30
i rock up somewhere and there's going to
17:31
be stairs which i always you know i
17:34
think we all do that we're like can we
17:36
actually get in there but he was just
17:37
like no i'm going and you know
17:39
what
17:40
happens yeah yeah and i really love that
17:42
they didn't like fall into those like
17:45
classic stereotypes of like oh victim
17:48
oh let's overly medicalise everything to
17:50
do with this person or like oh he's a
17:53
saint because like clearly he's not like
17:55
he's on some pretty
17:57
bad [ __ ]
17:59
throughout the series already and
18:01
like he's so sarcastic and
18:04
very assertive
18:06
with certain people
18:08
and
18:08
i love when
18:10
people
18:11
i love when
18:13
people ask like what happened why are
18:15
you in a wheelchair and he just has the
18:16
most
18:17
ridiculous stories like yeah the most
18:20
yeah so good
18:23
yeah if we can build it out a little bit
18:25
more to give him more of a a life like i
18:28
think his personality is like great and
18:32
the the sexual relationship with maeve
18:34
that's also great um but yeah give him
18:37
give him a bit more of a life outside of
18:39
that i think we'll have some like a a
18:42
plus
18:43
representation i think in the previous
18:44
episodes we talked a lot about depth and
18:46
in characters and and not just being the
18:49
disability or this one thing and i think
18:50
he's halfway there so yeah it'll be
18:53
really exciting to see how they can
18:54
flesh him out a little bit more
18:56
yeah he's like he's got the depth in
18:58
personality and like character but it's
19:00
like when they just need to develop like
19:03
almost like the character on paper stuff
19:05
like does he go to school who is he like
19:07
where's he come from all that kind of
19:09
stuff i will also play devil's advocate
19:12
here in
19:15
again we have
19:16
a young man with physical disability on
19:20
the screen with an able-bodied woman
19:22
when
19:23
when are we going to get a female
19:26
or non-binary person with disability
19:29
with an able-bodied partner i think
19:32
that is you know i'm like we're right
19:35
there but we just haven't crossed that
19:36
line just like it's like people have an
19:38
easier time understanding women like
19:40
caring for a man and like taking that
19:43
role but not so much the other way
19:44
around so and this would be the other
19:46
thing longer term as well as if isaac's
19:48
like
19:49
the disabled character and if it stays
19:51
quite tokenistic like i'd really like to
19:53
see in season four that they're
19:55
introducing
19:56
other people's experiences of disability
19:58
even if it's existing characters but
20:00
then they just you know have some level
20:02
of diagnosis of something or something
20:04
might happen throughout their life
20:05
whatever it is but just other
20:07
experiences of disability i think would
20:08
be really important and then sort of
20:10
ensuring that there's a level of
20:12
intersectionality
20:13
in there with that because like you've
20:15
said steph it's like
20:17
we've got one character right now it's a
20:18
pretty good character there's a bit to
20:20
go like bit to build up around him but
20:23
pretty great character i'm pretty like
20:25
impressed with it
20:26
but
20:27
he is like white seemingly heterosexual
20:30
man so
20:32
yeah there's still a long way to go
20:34
it's like we're willing to go this far
20:37
but we're not really willing to go
20:38
beyond that
20:40
yeah we need the next we need to take
20:42
the next step guys and like can sort of
20:44
understand that like dipping the toe
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because there's not a lot to benchmark
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off which is like one of the hardest
20:50
parts and i think why
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this kind of movement in terms of
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inclusion and representation in media
20:56
can often happen so slowly is that
20:59
people kind of you know i guess creators
21:02
creatives start like dipping their toe
21:04
into like i will have this narrative or
21:06
we'll have this character
21:08
and then they start to like gauge their
21:10
response
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exactly and generally i think at the
21:12
moment like response to towards isaac's
21:15
character as being like really good
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so
21:18
hopefully they just keep building on it
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yeah exactly that's it if we can
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introduce or start you know you don't
21:24
want to go straight to the end kind of
21:26
thing you want to work your way up to it
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and if we can introduce or you know
21:30
broaden
21:31
the audience's minds up to new
21:33
characters and new types of um
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archetypes i think
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that's you know that's what we're trying
21:39
to do but i think
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audiences are showing that they are
21:42
responding well to these to these
21:44
characters that we have been exposed to
21:47
i think now it's time to push it to the
21:48
next the next audiences are ready yeah
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and on that i think it's time to give
21:54
our scores on the inclusive disability
21:56
representation scale
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robin what did you give sex education
22:02
out of five for their portrayal of
22:03
disability yeah i gave it a four because
22:05
i thought like i said personality wise
22:08
um it was probably one of the more
22:09
accurate representations and again
22:11
they've given that role to a person with
22:13
a disability and so because of that
22:15
seemed very authentic but like you guys
22:17
said he just needs a little bit more
22:18
fleshing out we need to know a little
22:20
bit more about him and you know to see
22:22
where that romance goes and things like
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that would be really awesome
22:26
yeah i'm exactly the same four out of
22:29
five like you know seeing
22:32
isaac in that romantic um relationship
22:35
with maeve and
22:36
his his personality like the wit that he
22:39
has and and the talents that he does
22:41
have um is great but yeah i just want to
22:44
see him be a bit more of a you know find
22:47
out what he how he spends all of his
22:50
time not just when he's with me for
22:52
painting or whatever he does yeah like
22:54
let's build his character a bit more
22:56
outside of maeve let's make him
22:58
three-dimensional exactly yeah
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how does he exist outside of me and the
23:02
trailer
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i was a little bit harsh i was a 3.5
23:08
because i
23:09
like all of that definitely and i'm just
23:12
kind of at a point now where i'm like i
23:14
think we can just start introducing more
23:15
than one disabled character at a time
23:17
like we just you know and it was it took
23:19
them till you know season three to
23:21
really represent isaac in a way that i
23:23
was properly impressed with so
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there's a bit to go and i feel like it
23:28
might be nice to maybe revisit sex
23:30
education in you know a couple of
23:32
seasons time or something and do
23:33
something similar like this and analyze
23:35
it again and see
23:36
and maybe even like analyze what they've
23:38
done better or different or worse even
23:41
since
23:42
season three because um i can't see this
23:44
show
23:45
you know being canned anytime soon it's
23:48
becoming quite a cult it'll be one of
23:50
those things where the actors are like
23:51
30 playing like students literally
23:54
and it's just that like classic uk humor
23:57
that just fits differently
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i love it so much i love it so
24:03
yes well that's it everyone um thank you
24:06
so much for following along and
24:08
obviously thank you robin and steph for
24:10
joining me again on episode six of
24:13
reframed for everyone at home um our
24:16
little schedule of episodes has changed
24:18
a little bit we're going to start
24:20
releasing episodes each week with a
24:22
different special guest and either steph
24:24
or robin will join me on alternating
24:27
weeks which will be fantastic so
24:30
definitely stay attuned to our social
24:32
media pages because that's where we will
24:34
be announcing what we're going to be
24:36
analyzing and who will be joining us as
24:39
our special guest
24:40
already got some
24:41
very very exciting guests lined up and i
24:44
have a lot more to go and tap on the
24:47
shoulder and i know that we're just
24:49
going to continue having these fantastic
24:50
conversations and that's the whole point
24:52
is to continue this discussion
24:54
of representation of people with
24:56
disability in media why it's so
24:58
important and how we can change the
25:00
perceptions towards disability through
25:02
media so
25:03
if you don't know
25:05
how to find us on social media already
25:07
literally just search reframed podcast
25:10
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25:13
so whatever works best for you there
25:15
otherwise you can just send us an email
25:16
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25:18
reframedpodcast.com and we'll get your
25:20
comments and thoughts or inquiries there
25:22
we want to know what you think about
25:25
this podcast but we want to know what
25:26
you think about the media
25:29
that we are analyzing and we also want
25:31
to know if you have any suggestions of
25:33
what we should be analyzing in future
25:35
episodes or
25:36
special guests that we should be
25:38
inviting on because there are so many
25:39
amazing disabled people out there that
25:41
are doing some incredible things
25:43
and we want to uplift those voices
25:45
highlight what they're doing and
25:46
continue
25:47
creating change and building some more
25:49
influence out there for people with
25:51
disability in the media space so
25:54
that is enough i think from me
25:56
and we will see you again next week
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bye
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