K Shantel: 'Eternals'

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coming up on reframed and it wasn't

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because of

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an accident it wasn't because of some

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terrible thing that happened to her and

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that's the other thing too i think is

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like representing the diverse range of

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what disability is that's everyone's

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favorite because it's such a hot topic

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welcome back everyone to reframed

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disability and media the podcast that

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reframes how disability is portrayed in

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film and tv

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i'm your host jason climo and today i

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have my lovely co-host stephanie dao

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with me

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along with this this week's special

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guest which is k chantal all the way

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from the us which is very exciting

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and today we'll be discussing eternals

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the marvel film that has come out in

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cinemas very recently

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in australia

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so recently in fact that when i told

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steph we were doing eternals this week

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she was like i actually need to run off

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to the movies to go see that i thought

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it might be on the internet somewhere

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a little behind the game but it's fine i

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made it

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i love it i love that we're just

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running on the fly here um but before we

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get into discussing eternals let's say

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hello to k chantal and learn a bit more

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about them so welcome to the podcast

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we're very excited to have you on

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yeah thank you so much for having me um

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as you mentioned i am k chantal

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i am located in birmingham alabama in

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the u.s

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um i am a disability advocate an

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entrepreneur a model and i also do some

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freelance writing from time to time i am

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just

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so delighted to be here and to talk with

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you guys today

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yeah i maybe did a little bit of our

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instagram talking before we chatted

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today oh no

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and i'm i'm so excited like

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yeah i love all of your photos like

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amazing but i mean one thing i'm very

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excited to ask you about is you recently

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did a campaign for sephora is that

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correct

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yes that is correct i'm even wearing my

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sephora lost today so you know

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just did it

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yes i did um i did a campaign with

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sephora

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with um one of my best wheel friends her

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name is amy morgan and they reached out

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to us they wanted to do a story

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about

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um we belong to something beautiful

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and they wanted to use a different

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demographic than they used in the past

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and

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they loved our chemistry they loved our

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story and i was just really happy to be

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part of that campaign

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and they

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they represented us so eloquently and so

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beautifully like that you don't

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get to see too often for people with

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disabilities and i think that was my

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favorite part about working with sephora

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so heads up to them for that absolutely

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i think what i loved about seeing what

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you guys did with it they really

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um i guess championed your voice like

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they weren't speaking for you they

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weren't speaking about you it was you

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guys speaking about yourself which i

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thought was i loved it it was great

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exactly and i think this one's like

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and for those who haven't seen it

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there's one part that i particularly

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love but i'll let you

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jump into it

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there's the part about um disability and

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sexuality

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that's everyone's favorite because it's

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such a hot topic um you know people get

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rude about the questions that they ask

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regarding our sexuality and it's and

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it's it doesn't have to be that

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complicated

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we are human

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you know we are human we

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we speak shocker

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we experience um sexual relationships

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like everyone else

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i love that and it's like i guess from

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your perspective you know you have

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all of these different roles that you're

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playing at the moment in a lot of it

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seems to be tied into disability

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advocacy as well

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what are some of the main things that

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you think need to change in all of these

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creative industries like fashion film

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and tv

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i think that there needs to be more

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positive

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representation for people with

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disabilities and not just um

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where they like to portray us as someone

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who needs help or somebody who needs to

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be saved

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like all of those stories they're played

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out they need to see

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our love glories they need to see our

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glamorous sides they need to see us as

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humans and stop dehumanizing our life

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experiences

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yeah i couldn't agree more it's

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basically like i sort of think of it as

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like disability needs rebranding like

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for too long it's been branded as sad

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negative pitying you know we need to

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take back that word the disability word

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and rebrand it to be positive empowering

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and and beautiful and and sexual

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exactly all of the things all of you all

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of the human things literally yeah

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like the same respect that you give to

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um

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other

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i would say some some other you know

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disabilities get get to be shown in a

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positive light um let's do the same for

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wheelchair use

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and that's the other thing too i think

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is like representing the diverse range

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of what disability is because it isn't

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just one experience clearly so and also

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like trying to make sure that you're

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intersectional within that as well

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and making sure everything is as genuine

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as possible and like my whole thing that

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i always bang on about is that like

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we need to get people with disability

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on screen but also behind the camera to

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control the narrative because that's the

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only way we're really going to get

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that real genuine representation um

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and i love like did you know obviously

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tell us if you can't tell us but it

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seems like sephora gave you a lot of

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control over the narrative that was

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shared in this campaign as well

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yes they did they um they pretty much

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let us run the story they sent us some

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questions and they let us edit them how

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we saw fit

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um they let us elaborate however we

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wanted and they asked like

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how things should be worded like they

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they got it right

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they got it right it's so good

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that's so good and it's and all it takes

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is that simple asking questions right in

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a respectful way like it doesn't it's

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not hard it's not hard for people to do

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it right

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literally

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they don't include it in the

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conversation for these things to go

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right

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and that's what i have to do is

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literally like i feel like there's so

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many opportunities out there

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um like i know in australia because i do

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some fashion modeling stuff as well um

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a lot of the brands and kind of event

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organizers are just

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so shy about asking because they feel

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like they're going to do something wrong

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which like number one is like just do a

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bit of research like there's so many of

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us out there on instagram on wherever we

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are tick tock wherever educating people

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so like one it's like just do a bit of

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research

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but two it's like if you're coming to us

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with like

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a genuine opportunity to create some

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change and give us a you know a platform

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to amplify our own voices

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if you get something slightly wrong or

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say something like in the wrong language

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or slightly offensive we're not going to

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shut you down and not want to do the

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opportunity with you we're going to

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probably just educate you a bit and then

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also be really grateful for that

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opportunity so i think all the time

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people get stuck because they're like

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scared that they're going to offend

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someone when actually it's like

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don't

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get stuck in that because you you're

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slowing change by doing that it's like

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just ask the question so for anyone

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who's following along at home where can

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they follow you

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on instagram facebook what are you doing

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yes um i can be found on instagram

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at k period chantel

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official

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and chantelle is spelled s-h-a-n-t

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and i can be found on facebook

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as carnesian chantal

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and i know carnesian may be hard for

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some

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some people to spell so i'm gonna spell

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it

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it's k-a-r

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that's carnesian chantel on facebook

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well hopefully get a little influx of

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followers um and i know that i you know

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from having a bit of a stalk of your

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instagram and loving what you're posting

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and if i have learned some stuff so

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i'm very excited and now i'm excited i

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think it's time to jump straight into

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reviewing

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eternals um the marvel film um steph did

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you want to give us a bit of an overview

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of

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eternals sure yeah so eternals

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is the latest offering a feature film

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from marvel and it tells the story of

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this group of immortal beings called the

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eternals

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and each of them have superhuman powers

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and they have been given a mission

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about seven thousand years ago to come

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to earth and protect the humans from the

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evil deviants

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it's directed by nomad land director uh

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chloe zao so this is her first foray

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into the marvel cinematic universe uh

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but the reason that we're talking about

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it on reframe today

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is the character makari who is played by

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actress lauren ridloff and makari is the

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first deaf superhero in the marvel

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cinematic universe or possibly

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ever on screen i would venture to say

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but uh yeah that's that's what brought

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us to talking about it today

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so cool thanks for that overview stuff

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that was amazing

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um okay chantelle what did you think

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about the representation of makari's

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character

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yes um i loved

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right off the bat like soon as the movie

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started i love the representation

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because they started off with

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the sign language and then

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having the person that she was talking

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to respond to her in sign language like

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right when the movie starts it sets up

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the scene to know that okay we're

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dealing with a person who has a

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disability and this is going to be

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awesome so it's like i got excited from

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that moment

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because i i had heard that there was

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someone with a disability but i didn't

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really read

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on the movie before i went and saw it so

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i

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not knowing and going there i was

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excited

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yeah i think that's what i really

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responded to was it you know it wasn't

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just her speaking in asl american sign

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language it was

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you know the characters responding to

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her in that as well so it wasn't seen as

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this like oh this is an odd thing that

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she does it's just how she communicates

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and how they communicate with her so it

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wasn't and it wasn't because of

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an accident it wasn't because of some

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terrible thing that happened to her it's

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just part of her character um so i and

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it wasn't highlighted too heavily and as

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you said it was just organically weaved

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into the story and

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that's what i really loved about and of

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course played by

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deaf actress herself you know authentic

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representation yeah yes yes

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yeah i'm glad you pointed that out

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because they didn't make her disability

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her tragedy

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yeah there was like no um real

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explanation like it was just

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that kind of incidental

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um

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inclusion and of a character with

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disability who also happen to have like

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an amazing superpower um and i obviously

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also i also bang on all of the time

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about disabled characters being

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portrayed by or played by sorry um

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people disability and

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i love that they actually did that this

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time around um

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i don't know if there was really

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anything quite negative that i thought

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about it i feel like i saw somewhere

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that there was possibly something to do

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with her superpower

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that like helped her hear things around

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her and i didn't know if that was a

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little bit playing into the whole

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overcoming disability um but maybe i

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need to check on that a bit more

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i didn't pick up on that in the film

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itself yeah what what i find really

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interesting is

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i i read some articles about it and the

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character of makari in the comic books

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that it's based on

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was not in any way connected to the

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macaroni character we see in the film so

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originally it was

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a huge apparently white dude who was of

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hearing um so i'd really love to know

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what the process was of

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turning the makara character into what

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we saw on the screen which i mean all

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for it but yeah i'd love to know that

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process of what happened with that yeah

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yeah it's like to be a fly on the wall

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sometimes in those conversations to be

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like i wonder how they came up with that

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concept and i love that they did

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well i think that's it it's one of those

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things that just because something was

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one way

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it doesn't mean that you can't take that

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opportunity to change it up and make it

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more appealing to

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a progressive modern audience you know

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that's

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um yeah interesting very interesting and

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that's the thing right like that's the

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power of inclusion is like the whole

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power that these creative people have is

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to like take those old stories that are

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like

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fan favorites and then actually make

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them more modern realistic and have

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people of all different i guess like

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walks of life if you want to say

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in there and make it truly inclusive so

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and you're also opening it up to a new

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audience because let's face it i maybe

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wouldn't have gone and seen

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eternals if i didn't know that there was

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a deaf superhero in there so you know

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you're getting you're getting new people

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into the cinemas

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yeah and that's like the business case i

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guess around inclusion isn't it is that

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like

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you know if you are including these

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different communities you're going to

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have a better opportunity of actually

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like tapping into those different

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markets and making money out of it so

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you know giving that little plug there

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it's making it like it's not just like

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some charitable case that we're talking

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about here of like include us we want to

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feel loved like there's actually a lot

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of money to be made out of including

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everyone but you know talking today

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specifically about disability inclusion

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there's billions of dollars out there to

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be made

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in terms of fashion tv film whatever it

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is

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um by actually including us so

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yeah i think the other thing that's

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worth mentioning was um

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it was kind of alluded to but it didn't

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really go into any depth but she seemed

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to have

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a

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romantic potential connection

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with i can't remember his name

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but one of the other eternals uh the guy

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who could control minds um yeah so i

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would have loved i think my only bug

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bear with um her character was we didn't

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see enough of her she was kind of

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missing throughout the middle portion of

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the film and i would have loved to have

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seen a lot more of her

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um being utilized throughout the whole

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film

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yeah i think it'll be really interesting

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to see like in future

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um eternal films as well because i'm

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pretty sure that this is becoming like

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the new avengers type thing there'll be

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multiple movies with the eternals

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characters

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um

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if they explore a bit more of that

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like romantic and possibly like sexual

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or intimate connection

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between those two characters um because

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i think that would be really powerful as

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well like you know obviously it's

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powerful having a disabled superhero

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like amazing but a disabled superhero

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that also has like an intimate

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relationship i'm just like this is

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amazing ticking all the boxes for me

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and the facts like i mean i think i want

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probably kay chantal to speak on this

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but i think as well like the fact that

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it was like intersectional um

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representation like they didn't go with

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the most palatable version of a disabled

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person possible i don't know if

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you felt that was something important to

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highlight

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yeah absolutely um

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not only did they

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choose to be inclusive by you know going

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with a person with a disability but they

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also chose a person of color and i think

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that speaks volumes

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you know we don't we don't get lots of

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opportunities and for years there were

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what two

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maybe three

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hard of hearing people who were

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actresses and we all knew their names

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because they they recycled the ones all

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the time

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so you know um

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it's great for us to experience new

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people in this new era of

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diversity and inclusion

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that's it yeah it was um i'm really

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excited to go and see

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i have not been exposed to lauren

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ridloff the actress before so um but i

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really responded to her on screen i'd

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love to go see what else she's done i

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think she was also in the walking dead

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am i getting that yeah

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yeah and that's the whole thing i think

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as well is that like we're not asking

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for inclusion

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for the sake of it either there's very

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very talented disabled people out there

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that you know

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can be singers can be actors like

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whatever can be models

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and we're out here like wanting those

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opportunities and that's sort of the

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whole change that we're trying to create

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with all of this i guess so

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but yeah i think probably like you know

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playing devil's advocate here the only

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thing that we now need to see and the

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only thing that i would say it doesn't

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make my score a five out of five or

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anything

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is the fact that like it's the first

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time they've bloody done it

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uh we need more and also we probably

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need um some like visibly disabled

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people as well so like i am waiting for

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you know our next charles xavier but

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also to be portrayed by someone who's

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actually disabled please um

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you know i'm waiting for that vis you

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know visible disability to be on screen

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as well because that's probably the

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stuff that really

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i think will help move mountains you

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know in terms of inclusion

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throughout

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film and tv as well but yeah i i guess

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there was one other part to the new

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channels that i

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um

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i'm not sure if i was like um

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interpreting it correctly but angelina

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jolie's character

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um she had some sort of

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uh for just or what would you say

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condition

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where she would

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you know her behavior would change and

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she in a way had to be

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looked after by one of the other

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characters and i don't know if they were

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trying to touch on

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something there as well like

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neurodiverse or something like that but

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and if that was the case it maybe wasn't

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done as well

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it was a bit more reflective she has to

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be taken care of just to be managed that

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kind of thing so i didn't you know but

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again i'm not really sure if i'm reading

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too much into that character but i kind

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of picked up on those vibes that they

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were putting onto that character so did

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anyone else feel that or

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no you're right um

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it's kind of hard to say it like you

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said but

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i i do think that's what they were

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trying to do but

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i feel like her moment of triumph came

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when

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her quote unquote caretaker

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was killed

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and showed that she could take care of

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herself

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that she could manage herself

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yeah like

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you know no i guess if you're watching

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this hopefully you've already watched

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the movie so like if we swallow her

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alert

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talk spoilers yeah literally like

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spoiler like you know she does sort of

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like i guess overcome that and i don't

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know

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i don't maybe not overcome like manage

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by herself i think in the end and i

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think that is probably an empower

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empowering story as well as like an

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important one and i agree stuff i wasn't

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sure if it was like heading down like

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neurodiverse or mental illness kind of

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pathway and i would actually be really

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interested

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now that we've had this discussion maybe

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to go and do a bit more research around

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that to see

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you know if anyone else has like written

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anything about this because

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yeah it's quite like it was a bit of

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like a really nuanced um moment and

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sometimes i think they throw things in

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there

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like that into films without actually

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really thinking through like oh this

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actually is representation of mental

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illness and the way that we've done this

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isn't great or

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yeah it was really interesting

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i think that's the thing like when it

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comes to

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like physical or sensory disabilities

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it's kind of

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they're a lot more obvious to audiences

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but

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i find filmmakers are a little um

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apprehensive with putting in or putting

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in labels of like being neurodiverse or

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mental health and things like that just

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because it's such a big

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topic it's such a big

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um

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yeah there's a lot of things that could

20:48

go wrong with putting that on screen in

20:50

terms of representation and they need a

20:52

lot more work around that kind of thing

20:54

so i feel like there's a lot more subtle

20:56

inclusion of that kind of stuff but it's

20:58

never really

21:00

highlighted it's never really like this

21:01

is what we intended to do unless you

21:03

have something like the good doctor who

21:06

is apparently autistic or something like

21:07

that so

21:09

yes and and i struggle with that because

21:11

i love that show so much but i just wish

21:13

he was a uh an authentic person with

21:16

autism

21:17

audiences are really smart nowadays and

21:19

we really pick up on

21:21

when that authenticity is not there and

21:24

i think for me like i you know i am a

21:27

filmmaker and i know the challenges of

21:30

you know working on a film set and that

21:32

kind of thing so

21:33

you know when it comes to sort of

21:35

characters who maybe

21:36

you know need different um adaptations

21:39

and they're on on set

21:41

you know it's not like we're saying they

21:43

have to have the exact disability that

21:45

you're portraying on screen for me

21:48

i would at least just like some level of

21:51

first-hand experience some level of

21:54

authenticity that they can bring

21:56

because

21:57

you you pick up on that you you know

21:59

audiences are very

22:02

tuned in nowadays and also like if it is

22:04

incidental representation it doesn't

22:06

actually have to be like perfectly

22:08

matched like last week we spoke about

22:11

sex education

22:12

and the fact that they don't actually

22:14

like divulge any like diagnosis or

22:16

anything

22:17

of isaac's character and so then you

22:19

don't actually have to find someone who

22:21

has the exact same

22:23

you know experience or condition or

22:25

whatever you want to call it um you just

22:27

have to have someone who actually has

22:28

the experience that you're trying to

22:30

represent

22:31

in the show which is the more important

22:32

part anyway so

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uh for me it's like

22:36

a foundation to build on to build a

22:39

character on you know yeah just some

22:41

understanding of what that experience is

22:44

like for for people so yeah um yeah you

22:47

know we're not saying

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you know

22:49

as you said before jason things don't

22:51

have to be perfect but

22:52

you know just ask questions give things

22:55

a go

22:56

let audiences

22:57

you know evolve

22:59

yeah like obviously there's going to be

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things that are done well and things

23:03

that are not done so well but like the

23:05

whole point is is that like being

23:06

receptive to the change that's happening

23:09

in the industries like i feel like just

23:11

don't block

23:12

all of this change

23:14

um you know like there were probably

23:15

things that weren't really done all that

23:17

well through like filming of eternals

23:19

and i don't we don't know all of those

23:20

details either but

23:22

you know hopefully the people that

23:24

worked on set then learn from those

23:26

experiences so that next time it's even

23:28

better and i think that's the point is

23:29

like we're not asking for perfection no

23:32

one's really asking for perfection right

23:34

now from any industry and we might not

23:36

ever get perfection but

23:38

we're just asking for

23:39

i guess like drastic improvement

23:42

yeah people to take a chance be able to

23:45

push boundaries yeah

23:47

i'm the type of person that if i watch

23:48

something and

23:50

it's supposed to

23:51

the character is supposed to be based on

23:53

someone with a disability i'm googling

23:55

does this person have any kind of

23:57

disability it's so easy to do like you

23:59

just google it straight away and then

24:01

you're like this is disappointing

24:04

that was the first thing yeah it was the

24:06

first thing i did with eternals so yeah

24:08

yeah it detracts if you find out that

24:10

there is no authenticity behind

24:12

characters so

24:14

yeah again we have our ways of finding

24:16

out there is a thing called the internet

24:18

watch out guys literally right

24:20

yeah

24:21

all right well i think it's time to give

24:23

our score out of five on the inclusive

24:26

disability representation scale okay

24:28

chantelle you can go first what did you

24:30

give eternals out of five

24:33

i'm i'm going to give it a 5 out of 5.

24:37

hi

24:38

that's really good

24:39

i think that might be our first five

24:42

oh really i think it is yeah absolutely

24:44

okay okay maybe almost coffee

24:47

it's nice it's refreshing

24:49

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24:51

uh steph what was your score

24:53

look i'm gonna give it a four out of

24:56

five um as i said this character in the

25:00

comic books that it was adapted from was

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not

25:03

uh

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a woman of color was not a woman first

25:06

of all was not a person with a

25:08

disability so i really

25:10

am grateful that they decided to

25:13

use that the opportunity to turn this

25:15

character into someone that i can

25:17

actually i actually want to watch on on

25:19

screen and actually root for so um

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yeah the only thing i wish they had done

25:24

used more of her throughout the film

25:26

because um she was probably my favorite

25:28

character so yeah i'm a 4.5 out of 5 for

25:32

this film individually um because i

25:35

think it was just done so well um and

25:38

obviously the authentic casting thing

25:39

it's something that i

25:41

go on about all of the time

25:43

but it's very very important clearly um

25:46

and

25:47

i am also very excited

25:49

i've been watching hawkeye and we're

25:51

obviously going to review that in the

25:53

next coming weeks because there's also

25:56

disability representation throughout

25:57

that and i'm it's just exciting to me i

26:00

guess

26:01

that marvel are actually like okay this

26:03

is good it's positive it's working

26:05

people are responding really well let's

26:06

do more of it

26:07

um so

26:09

yeah that just makes me

26:11

really happy i guess so that's our score

26:14

so that's pretty much it so thank you so

26:17

much okay chantelle and steph for

26:19

joining me today and thank you everyone

26:21

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26:24

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26:27

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26:29

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26:31

you agreed or disagreed with any of the

26:34

things that we um have shared about our

26:36

analysis of eternals um and if anybody

26:39

wants to shed some more light of their

26:40

own personal experiences of

26:41

neurodiversity or mental health

26:44

and angelina jolie's character i'd love

26:46

to hear a bit more about that or if

26:48

someone has done a bit more research

26:50

than me and has found some other

26:52

people's thoughts on it just whack it in

26:53

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26:56

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26:59

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27:00

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27:02

um

27:03

yeah because i guess like you know as i

27:05

always say in each episode the whole

27:07

point of what we're doing here is to

27:09

create conversation around change and

27:11

the things that the industries are doing

27:13

well the things that they're not doing

27:14

well um and what we as people with

27:17

disability are asking them to do more of

27:19

i guess which really we've cracked on

27:22

about it enough today but to break it

27:24

down all we're asking for is more

27:25

representation more positive

27:27

representation and just make it genuine

27:29

and also

27:30

give us some control over the narrative

27:32

as well anyway that's enough

27:36

i bid you both farewell and thank you

27:39

everyone and we'll see you next week

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