Peter Archer - Beyond Vision

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This is Studio 1 on Vision Australia Radio.

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Hello, I'm Sam... 

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And I'm Lizzie... 

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And this is Studio 1, your weekly look at life from a low vision and blind point of view - here on Vision Australia Radio.

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On this week's episode, I speak to Peter Archer, a support worker who started his own business. His business seeks to provide unique activities to the blind and low vision community.

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As we always say at this point, please do get in touch with the show. Whether you have experience of any of the issues covered on this week's episode of Studio 1, or if you think there's something we should be talking about, you never know - your story and insight may help somebody else who is dealing with something similar.

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You can email us at studio1@visionaustralia.org - that's studio number one at Vision Australia dot org. Or of course, you can search for us on Facebook - just go to facebook.com, slash radio network. Well. Hello, Sam.

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Hi, there. You sound... energised.

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I am rejuvenated, revitalised, re-energised, refreshed. All the good re-things that happen when one comes back from holiday.

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And re-minded to re-tain some memories. Yes.

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Oh, wow.

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That's amazing. What have you been up to?

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Well, I was in Mount Gambier, if you remember. Last week I mentioned I was in the beautiful Mount Gambier area and... I have just spent the last week touring the caves, learning about the formation of the local volcanoes, and I even ventured into Victoria for a short amount of time to cruise on the Glenelg River at Nelson. So it has been one of those really cool weeks that I'm sure I'll never forget... and I'm probably not allowed to mention, I was baptised yesterday... am I...?

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Well, whatever. It's... well, we'll be covering something... similar to this in the very near future, as far as the nature of spirituality among... the blind and vision impaired community, so we can probably talk about that in another couple of weeks as we head up to Easter.

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So very exciting.

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On with this show, however. How did you come across... Peter?

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Well, I had actually been following him on Facebook for some time... through various different groups... all disability and blindness related. And one of the things that kept coming up in these Facebook groups was the themed Zoom groups that he's running, which I thought were really interesting - because although his business provides community activities to people in Queensland, the unique Zoom groups give people around Australia the chance to... you know, just check in with community and not feel so isolated, which I think is really important in these times, especially for people who perhaps don't have the necessary funding to get out and about, or they live in regional or rural areas. So it's hard for them to find that social connection.

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Well, without further ado, let's talk to the man himself.

03:05 S3

Peter, welcome to studio 1. It is so good to have you.

03:09 S4

Thank you very much for having me.

03:11 S3

So can you share the inspiration behind your founding of Beyond Vision?

03:16 S4

Yeah, I'd love to. So it pretty much came about, I think it was around about two years ago. I was actually working for Vision Australia at the time. And... got some unfortunate news that... all the support workers were about to become redundant. And... so I had to think about what my... next step was going to be. And I love support work. You know, I was... lucky enough to... do it at Vision Australia for... nine years. So I thought to myself, I want to continue doing this. But but how... should I do this? Should I work for another organisation? Or maybe I should give it a go by myself? And, you know, I went for the latter. I thought, let's let's try and give this a go. 

And I just started thinking about, well, first, what's the name going to be? And... I was... lucky enough to be in a position where I could continue supporting a few of the clients that I was supporting at Vision Australia - yeah, because Vision Australia no longer was delivering that service. So that that made it seem a lot more... realistic. And... the name Beyond Vision came to me at about 3 a.m. in the morning. Yeah. That's good, I got to remember that. I don't know how I'm going to remember that. Maybe... because if I create a note on my phone, it's going to wake up my wife. What am I going to do? I'll just try, I'll try my best to remember it. Luckily... enough, I did the next day. And... yeah. So began... the creation of Beyond Vision.

04:45 S3

So Beyond Vision offers a variety of services like home-cooked meals and community activities. Can you elaborate on some more of the services that you offer, and how do they impact your clients?

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Yeah, so with the community access stuff... well, it's kind of similar to what I used to do at Vision Australia. So I'll whoever my participants are, my clients, you know, I'll get an idea of... what they're... interested in. And... I'll do quite a bit of research into seeing if any, you know, activities are happening in Brisbane or any events that are happening in Brisbane, that sort of relate to that interest. And if there's nothing on, I'll try and put something together myself. So in the past, I've put this up on... Facebook and... also my website. 

I've done a couple of Beyond Vision catchups - so that includes, you know, putting on a lunch, could be a barbecue, could be like, the last one we did at West End, we got some wraps from the Rapture Cafe in West End. That's that's a great place to have lunch if you ever have time to go there. And, um, we also had some musicians that came along so different sorts of artists we've had, you know, we've had classically trained people, people playing violin, all sorts of different interesting instruments. We've had people singing acapella songs, um, more sort of like, acoustic sort of pub rock sort of performers. 

So we'll, we'll add that into... the activity and some more things around that, like maybe we had a pinata. So I tried to make it as interesting as possible and... I do my very best to make sure that whatever I put together, it does sort of relate to my client's interest, and they'll get a lot out of it.

06:33 S3

Yeah, amazing. I actually saw on your website that you did a tabla drum workshop. I'm very interested because I'm... of Indian descent. So how did that come about?

06:45 S4

Yeah, that that was... with Dheeraj. He's a... great guy. Well, that actually came about because one of my clients wanted to learn how to play the tabla. And so I just started doing some research. I started calling up some different people who, you know, who advertised as tabla teachers. And it's just about getting the getting the right feel. So it took a while until I actually connected with Dheeraj. There was a few people I spoke to before him, and you know, I was just doing some quotes. So it's important to try and get, you know, the best possible price for your clients. And so I was getting a couple of quotes, and I think Dheeraj was like the third call I made. 

And one of the first things he said to me was... Have you spoken to this guy and this guy? And those were the last two calls I made. And he said, Yes, I taught those guys. You know, I'm... yeah. They came to my my house and I taught them how to play tabla, and I've actually been playing tabla for 35 years. And he, the way that he spoke about it was just so passionate. And... it turned out that... he had similar sort of aspirations as what I had. That we were just trying to, you know, create these sort of group activity experiences where they're enriching for the people who are who are joining in because they were learning a new skill that they, you know, probably knew nothing about before. 

Because there is a lot, as you probably know, that goes into the tabla. There's a lot of... you know, counting involved and a lot of... remembering different sorts of... I guess... patterns of... playing the tabla. So there's that, and there's also the... added element of... connecting with others. So connecting with other people in the group. And so that's what I... did, I tried to put a group activity together, which means it's going to be more cost effective for everybody.

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Yeah.

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Of course. And... it's just going to make for... you know, a better time. So I did that for about a year, year and a half. And Dheeraj actually... performed at my very first... Beyond Vision barbecue at Link Vision in Fairfield, Brisbane. So I was really appreciative. I really appreciated that he did that. He's one of a kind. He's a great guy, for sure.

09:10 S3

Now, your activities and the community engagement that you do is usually in the Brisbane area, but you do have themed Zoom groups. So what inspired these and what impact have they had, do you think, on more isolated people?

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Yeah. So Zoom groups with... we're sort of playing around with that idea. Back... when COVID hit, that Vision Australia had had a bit of success with... they're coming up with different ideas. And I always... really enjoyed it. And I found like, it brought the best out of me... as a support worker. And it brought the best out of my clients because it sort of... to me, it seemed like they felt like they they felt like they were the most confident selves when they're in the Zoom group, I suppose, because they're in the comfort of their own home.

And I do try to make it sort of like a welcoming... environment. So that... was always an idea. When I started my own business, I just didn't know how to get it off the ground. So I started doing a lot of research. Zoom, the people at Zoom, unfortunately, aren't very helpful.

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That's sad.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's no real direct person you can talk to. So you're writing to these people on their site, and... like, sometimes you get the answers to your questions, and other times you just feel like you're getting, you know, messed around a bit. But I... stuck with it and and ended up getting the... you know, setting it all up on... my end on my computer here and my study. And again, I was just lucky enough that a couple of people already wanted to join because... 

For instance, there was one particular person who wanted to work on his speech because, he'd had difficulties, some... you know, some difficulties in conversation. So his parents wanted... him to get involved. So straight away I had, you know, one participant and a couple... more came on board. But the way that I promoted it is that I really felt like it was a good opportunity to reach people from remote parts of Australia. And that's the great thing about Zoom is that I have a membership where I can contact anybody... in Australia and anybody in New Zealand, and they don't need a... computer, don't need anything like that. All they basically need is a phone. So as long as they can pick up the phone, I call them, they're in the Zoom group and and then we're good to go. 

So I've... posted all over Facebook, you know, I'm involved in at least 15 to 20 sort of NDIS pages, vision impaired and blind sort of groups, all sorts of different groups. And I had a couple of people reach out to me. One in particular was a young man from Cairns, and I love this story, that he really had no contact with any vision impaired and blind people in his community. And... as soon as he got involved, it was like, we'd known him for years. So he got along with all the other participants, were telling stories, laughing, just enjoying each other's company. 

And eventually we get around to the theme, like we get around to the trivia or whatever it is we're doing. But a big part of it is just like a like, it's like a... support group. It's like a social network group. And people just get the chance to come together and have a chat. And around that I try to entertain them and they might walk away with learning something new as well, which is always great.

12:43 S3

So what are some of the themes that you cover with your Zoom groups because you said about trivia, but what are the themes do you cover?

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Yeah. So your trivia is one... we've got... an audio book club. So I just did one of those last night, where we all listened to an audio book together, but not not straight away. We'll have, like, a general chat and... a bit of a catch up first, but the participants get the chance to... choose a book. So everybody... takes turns - and audiobooks are great. Like, I'm not sure if you've... I know VA has a has a great library, with audiobooks, but Audible is really good too. And... a lot of voice actors are getting involved, and even a lot of... famous actors are getting involved in... reading out the book. So it's it's really entertaining. 

Last night we were listening to Love Stories by Trent Dalton, who... has been spoken about a lot recently because he is the... right, you know, he created Boy Swallows Universe, which came out as a TV show this year. And... just a real interesting writer. And... he absolutely loves Brisbane. So we're listening to his latest book and... he actually narrated it as well. So that really added, that was a nice little,... nice little bonus. So that's the audiobook group. 

We also do a... podcast group so similar I'll do research into all these different types of podcasts, covering topics that the participants are interested in. And I'll make sure that... they are actually good quality podcasts, so I'll listen to them ahead of time. I'll make sure that, you know, they're not you know, they're tasteful as well, you know, not swearing and, you know, sure carried away. Yeah. So we'll listen to a podcast together and then talk about what our thoughts were afterwards. You know, what what we thought of the episode, what what kind of feelings and things did it bring up for us? You know, what... was the standout thing that we heard?

So that creates really... interesting conversation. And... apart from that, we do a... hangout, which is kind of what we do in most... groups. We do a spelling bee.

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Oh, very cool.

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And yeah, and I've also been playing around with the... medium a bit. So at the end of last year, I put together what I called a... Beyond Vision... Christmas-themed Zoom group where I had special guest speakers on. So we had... Rosemary Peterswald - who is... the host of Lots to Chat About... with Rosemary Peterswald on, for 1RPH. We had... the blind Australian of the year, Courtney Wibbeke. We had... Pete Vance, who's a brilliant... jazz singer who has retinal pigmentosa, and he also has bipolar. And he spoke to us about, you know, what that was all about and how he sort of... navigates, ... that, you know, that particular condition. 

And then we had a special guest from America at the end. So his name was Aaron Richmond, and he hosts the... Aaron's Opinion podcast. And the great thing about that particular day was that after I did the interviews with... each guest, whoever was in the Zoom group listening in could ask their own questions. So I went around the group and... asked anybody if they had any questions. And... that made it really interactive and really interesting. So this is so much you can do with... the medium. I'm also thinking about putting on... like a... radio show in the sense that... everybody can choose, you know, a couple of their favourite songs and we listen to them together - because that's a... function of Zoom, you can... share the... sound. So you can, everybody can hear what I'm... playing on my... end, on my computer - for sure.

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Yeah.

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So everybody chooses a song or two, and then after the song they can talk about, you know, why they chose that song, what does it mean to them? And so that, I think that would be really interesting and a great conversation starter and a great way for... people to learn more about each other. One other thing we do, which I found has been great for  rapport building, is also asking mindful questions. So there's a couple of websites where they have these different mindful questions, which could be anything from like, you know, What is something that you remember... growing up in your hometown, to, you know, What's your favourite food or recipe? And again, that's just a great way to find out things about other people that, you know, you might not have known before.

17:18 S3

And what has been the response from the community to these themed Zoom groups?

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It's been a mixed response, I think. And... I think you got to also take into account that I'm only really accessing sort of one pool of of promoting these groups at the moment, which is Facebook. And, you know, I don't I can speak to it on that... level. So there's been some people who have said, you know, Why would you... charge for... a Zoom group? You know, no-one's going to pay for a Zoom group... to other people who are... sort of saying, This is great, this is something that is definitely necessary and, you know, well done. So it's sort of been a bit 50-50 in that way.

18:05 S3

Well, I mean, I personally think it's a great idea. In fact, that is what made me really want to interview you is because I'm part of a couple of the Facebook groups where you've advertised. Right? And I saw you write up a report, I suppose, about the Christmas group. And I also went and looked at your website about other Zoom groups, and I thought it was just so fascinating that even though, yes, you are giving a service to the community in the Brisbane area, you're also doing something to serve the greater community of Australia in terms of people with blindness and vision impairment.

18:39 S4

Well thank you. Thank you for, you know, looking at my website and for the kind words too. And it really is something that I feel passionate about. Like I feel this inner drive to... keep going with this. And somebody once told me that, you know, if you're... starting a business, one of the best things to do is... to focus on one thing. So when I first started with Beyond Vision, I was... trying to show people... all the different things that... you could, you know, that Beyond Vision could provide and could offer you, which is definitely something that I can still do with with the tailored outings and, and the group activities and the home cooked meal delivery services and all that. Those are definite services that I provide. 

But... this year I've been I've been trying to focus more on all the benefits of these of these Zoom groups and just really encourage people to give it a go, even if it's... even if you want to do it once, you know, even if you just want to see what it's like and, you know, there's none of my... participants... have signed service agreements to do these Zoom groups. So it's, there's there's no pressure in that sense. It's just something that I believe is... important, something that... 

You know, connection is such an important thing in our lives. Isolation is something that a lot of us are experiencing. You don't have to be vision impaired or blind to be experiencing isolation. And you can even experience that in a in a busy city - you don't have to be in a remote part of Australia. And I'm reaching out to those people because I really do... feel like I can support those people and... try to create something that would... benefit them. So I encourage those people to... give these groups a go.

20:23 S3

So if we rewind back a bit further, before you started Beyond Vision and before you started working with Vision Australia, what were your motivations for becoming a support worker?

20:35 S4

Oh well, I don't know if this is a common story or not, but when I was leaving high school, I had no idea what I wanted to do for a career. And I actually remember, you know, towards the end of grade 12, one of my I think it was teacher aides that came out and they put this giant textbook on the on the table in front of me, and it was a textbook full of...  occupations. And they said, Just go through this and... try and pick what you want to be. And that was, you know, like finding a needle in a haystack. I had no idea. 

But I'm very thankful that my Mum... was was studying, you know, community support work, community services. And one night I was looking at her notes and looking over all the, you know, what she was doing. And I found it really interesting. So I just thought, Okay, I'll give this a go. And... I ended up going to TAFE because... I didn't have an op at the time. You need an op to get into university and, spoke to... an advisor at TAFE and said, you know, if I do this and do that, you know, what kind of jobs can come out of it. And they mentioned a counsellor. I thought I wanted to be a counsellor, to be a psychologist, support worker. 

So support worker, the idea of that came much later. So I did a Certificate 3 in community services, a Diploma in Youth, did a couple of placements, a couple of pracs and got a job that was completely different. So I ended up working at a Red Cross Employment Services, as an administration assistant. And... unfortunately I got made redundant there too. And so I was looking online, for different jobs and a position came up or a position was advertised at Vision Australia in... Coorparoo in Brisbane - and it just, it looked perfect. It sort of stood out for me. Similar to these Zoom groups, I got this feeling that this is something that I should definitely look into a bit more, and I did.

22:39 S3

100%. I can definitely appreciate that. So in all your years of of support work, has there been a particular activity or outing that stood out to you because it's made an impact on somebody else?

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Oh, so many, so many. Because the great thing about these outings is that it's like a transformative sort of process. So when I remember when we were picking people up, back when we were doing the outings at Vision Australia, and even within my own business, when you're picking people up, they're sort of a little bit in their shells and you know it. It takes a little bit for them to sort of become comfortable with the people around them and the activity itself. But by the end of the activity, say, we're going to cure a beach. We've gone for, like, a beautiful walk along the beach. We've had a nice Mexican lunch. 

At the end of that day, people are just... the participants are just so much more happy and talking to each other and just lighter. You can feel it. You can feel like there's a weight that's been taken off their shoulders. So that's something that's sort of ongoing. More recently, I supported somebody and I was I was really lucky to do this. This person didn't have a lot of funds. So... they could only really receive... two hours of support a day. And... social connection for this person was very important, like, really, really important. 

And this activity came up where we were going to go all the way out to, I think it was like past Toowoomba... like this... three hour road trip out to thi... place where... a gentleman was going to play guitar for all these different... people. And I was lucky enough to to take this participant along. So their plan coordinator said, Okay, I think this will be really good for so and so, but you can do this. So I took her out. And the difference that... a full day's activity made for this person was... really interesting to see. So she just became so engaged in the activity to the point where there was a... when... the man who was performing on the guitar, was playing guitar, she was up there, she was wanting to dance. She was dancing with, you know, other volunteers that were helping out in the day. And... she allowed me to video it. 

And when you watch the video back, she has the biggest smile on her face. And she's just getting so involved. And... it's really beautiful to see. And even talking about it, I sort of get a little bit choked up because that's really what I want for the people I support, and just them really enjoying themselves and... being in the moment and... being comfortable with... what that is.

25:20 S3

For sure. As a vision impaired person myself, I can fully appreciate just how much social connection and just yeah, like you said, a full day's worth of activity can really brighten your spirits. I mean, I'm lucky enough that I've been blessed with the set of circumstances where I have a lot of social connection. But there was a time in my life when I didn't. And I also know a lot of other people that don't or aren't as fortunate as me in that regard, and just seeing them after a full day's worth of activity or... there's an organisation in... Adelaide here that organises... multi-day trips. So we go away for a couple of nights, and even after that, they just so much more happier. So I can definitely appreciate how that would have impacted her.

26:04 S4

It's so important. It really is. And I think that these things need to be taken into consideration when... you know, there's a couple of clients I support who who are just not given the funding to be able to do these things. They're just given like very basic funding. So you know, they can afford like maybe a cleaner to come out or maybe like a, you know, an occupational therapist appointment or maybe one... social outing a week or maybe even a month with some of the people I support. 

And these are people I'm talking about, people who have multiple conditions. So people that are totally blind and totally deaf and still aren't, you know, given the funding to... do these social activities, which are just so important for people that, you know, that - for anybody really. So that... yeah, I'm getting worked up a bit. Sorry.

26:55 S3

That's okay. Go for it.

26:56 S4

Yeah. Just that that kind of thing frustrates me a little bit. And I think that the NDIS really need to take that into account that, that for some people social connection is, you know, just vital. That's so important.

27:11 S3

Even if you take the disability out of the equation, humans are inherently social creatures.

27:17 S4

Exactly, Exactly. And we are at our best, you know, when... we are in these social environments and connecting with others. And it can really help with a lot of things. You know, it can help with depression. It can help with... just general well-being and exercise and, you know, the list goes on and on and on.

27:37 S3

Exactly. So what are some of the challenges that you faced when setting up Beyond Vision?

27:43 S4

Oh, boy... well, I went into it all guns blazing. And,  like I said, I was in a... fortunate position. But some things came, came up. And this will happen when, you know, you going out on your own and you, you know, I suddenly become green again, you know, a bit a bit like a bit of a novice. I'm having to learn all these things as far as you know. What, how, how to invoice, what line items do you use? You know, some of my participants... ran out of funding because they they weren't, you know, keeping track of it, unfortunately. 

And I didn't realise that... you know, if you speak to some plan managers, you can... isolate funds so they... know how much your services are going to cost for the entire year so they can keep track of it. So if I knew that at the start, then, you know, it would have been... a bit more of a smoother process. I guess some other challenges that that came up is, you've got to be realistic and that I can get some ideas that are a little bit lofty. I can also get sort of carried away a little bit. 

So for instance, being out in the community, most days I would run into other support workers I used to work with. And... they would say things like, Oh, give me a call and... I'll help you get some clients, you know, help you get up on your feet. You get all excited, you go home and you talk about it at the dinner table and you're like, Oh, this happened... and then you try to connect with that person and you get ghosted and you're like, Oh, what happened there? And that happened quite a few times. And... the more that... it happened, I was really trying not to become bitter. That was the biggest thing, not to become bitter. 

So I tried to think about, you know, Why could this be happening? And a big reason was because it is tough out there for for a support worker to attract clients. And I imagine that when you've got those clients, you want to do everything you can to to make sure that, you know, you... try to keep them. I know that sounds kind of bad, but try to keep supporting them because that is your, it is your living. It is, you know, and there's no guarantees. So if you can ensure some security yourself, I understand why people would, you know, be a bit more, be a bit careful with that kind of thing with, you know, suggesting clients to work with and that kind of thing. 

So that came up quite a bit... working with plan managers - every plan manager likes things being done differently, so a one-line item used for one participant might be different to the next participant. I always used to read about on Facebook that the best way to to find new clients was to engage with plan coordinators. So I did that in a variety of different ways. I... there's an organisation called One Community. And I put something up on Facebook about this. 

And so it's similar to the Disability Expo where all these... different organisations will... you can purchase a table and... it kind of works like a speed dating sort of thing. So all the organisations have tables in this room. Big, big, you know, they're all in a giant oval. And then, the, you know, then people will come around to each table, spend five minutes at each table, and you try... your best to promote your business in the hopes that that person will then want to engage in your services themselves. 

So I did that and I didn't get much out of that, which was unfortunate. So I guess dealing with disappointment was a big thing. And again, trying not to become bitter, but just also just remembering why I'm doing this. I love doing this, so I'm going to keep doing it. You know, some things people might be interested in, other things they might not. And that's okay. That's life.

31:34 S3

So looking forward, what are some of the initiatives or activities or programs that you've got planned for the rest of this year?

31:42 S4

Yeah, I've got a couple of things on I'm sort of looking into. I've been really interested and sort of looking at how grants work, because I think that'll be... interesting to see if I was to get a grant for, say, my Zoom groups, to see then who would be attracted to it if they didn't have to use their NDIS funds or their own money? So I've been looking into that. I've been looking into... teaming up with other organisations, having grants with other organisations and running... groups for them. Just going to continue promoting the... Zoom groups and showing people all the different things that... you can do in them. 

And... I would love to put on another Beyond Vision catch up. I have a couple of musicians that would love to join that day, and I have a couple of ideas, but I'm just, I'm just needing, I guess, participants to... show some interest, so I can go ahead with that and make it feasible, you know, as a... small business owner. So be looking into that too. And really, a lot more focus for me this year has  been on my family - because I have a 13 week old daughter, I have a four year old son, and I've just been really enjoying spending time with them. So I've been just trying to make that a priority as well. Balance everything out nicely.

33:05 S3

Well, Peter, it's been so great chatting with you, and I wish you all the best for the future. Now, for any of our listeners in the Brisbane area, or for anyone in the greater Australian blind and low vision community that want to get involved with your themed Zoom groups, how can they get in touch with you? Do you have a website or an email address?

33:25 S4

Yep. So my website is W-W-W- Beyond Vision [spells it] dot com. Or you can contact me directly by email, Peter underscore Archer underscore Beyond Vision at Outlook dot com. You can also call me at 0412 406 869. You can also follow me on Facebook by typing in Peter Archer Beyondvision - one word. And I also have a YouTube channel - you can type in Peter Archer Beyond Vision on YouTube and see all the videos, all the things that we've been, that I've done so far. And, you know, we'd love to hear from you guys. And, yeah, feel free to reach out. 

I mean, I always say that, uh, you know, I'm a one man band. So the image of my business rests rests on me. So if you call me, I'm not going to, it's not going to take a week for me to get back to you. I'm going to get back to you as quick as I can. I'm going to provide the best possible service I can because, you know, that's you know, that's what I really feel passionate about.

34:34 S3

Fantastic. Well, we will have all of the links to your website... we'll put your email address, your Facebook, YouTube channel, and if you'd like your phone number on our podcast notes so that anyone that listens to the show can access those resources. And that's a wrap for this week's show. A big thank you to Peter Archer for being our guest on this week's episode.

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And of course, thank you for listening. You can find the podcast of this program, including some extra content on Apple, Spotify, Google, or your favourite podcast platform. Next week...

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How do you decide what to wear? Does your vision affect your choice of clothing?

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We ask a few friends if fashion is an issue.

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But between now and then, please do get in touch with the show. Whether you have experience of any of the issues covered on this week's episode of Studio 1, or if you think there's something we should be talking about, you never know - your story and insight may help someone who's dealing with something similar.

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You can email us - studio1@visionaustralia.org ... that's studio number one at Vision Australia dot org.

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Or of course you can find us on all of the good social media platforms like Facebook and Instagram by looking for VA Radio Network. We want to hear from you.

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