Sarnya Moss OAM

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S1 (Speaker 1)

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S2

Hey, Sarnya. It's really nice to meet you. Thank you. It's great to meet you, too, Lizzie. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this conversation because as a accomplished tandem cyclist, you'd be able to to give me some advice and some pointers and share your experiences with me, because obviously I'm getting into town and cycling and hoping to compete at the sort of level that you did, and that's.

04:29

S3

Fantastic for me to hear about up and coming cyclists, because sometimes there's a bit of a lull in the sport and anyone that you can share your experience and pass on advice to is always great because it shows that they're passionate and I just like to inspire people to do their best.

S2

Yeah, that's brilliant. So I guess the first thing I want to know is before you started tandem cycling, did you were there any other sports that you competed in?

S3

Yes, I did. Athletics.

S2

Oh, wow. Yeah.

S3

So I come down as a secondary school student from the Riverland where I went to school and competed in the state days that we used to have big state days that back then for athletics. And I did manage to compete overseas with athletics in the big and world champion games in the 90s. However, I wasn't quite quite good enough, I guess even though I was fifth in the world in my category and my the pentathlon, Australia tends to select the Paralympic team on medal chances and being fifth isn't a medal chance. So I had to either be better at that or find something else. Yeah. It was interesting times.

S2

Is that why you got into tandem cycling or what was the go with that?

S3

Well, with tandem cycling, it was, it was a huge risk. And knowing Kieran Mudra, who had also done athletics and swimming, he approached me and said, Hey, come over to cycling. And at that time I knew that I was only fifth in the world. And I guess I thought, well, I can only give it. I can only give it a go on a bike and see how I go. Yeah, no need to say no up front. So we did that and he was quite hard in selling it to me. He had a front rider for me, which was his sister, Tanya. Oh, wow. And yeah, he was in Kieran style. Quite. Yeah. Come on, come on, let's get out and cycle. So I did that. But then of course coming with that huge risk, I had to then step down from my Ice scholarship with athletics and start again in cycling, which I probably didn't realise when I'd made the decision but took the risk anyway, and that's how it worked out. So once again, we built up to try and qualify for an international or I guess state and then nationals and then an international team. And look, it was all worth it and no regrets at all.

S2

Oh, of course. Yeah. I mean, obviously there weren't any regrets because you went on to have quite a successful career. Well, I guess I want to know is because for me, I found it hard in the beginning to find pilots who were willing to give up their cycling goals or put their cycling goals on hold to compete with me. So did you ever have any challenges finding pilots that were willing to do that, or were you quite lucky in that respect?

S3

It's an interesting one. Pilots, there are always going to be your shoes. You've got two people with quite different goals often, and you have to marry your goals on that one bike as a tandem, which is which is difficult. Ten, ten years sort of got thrown into it. I think Kieran threw both Tanya and I into it evenly. Yeah, and I'm not sure we both come from a very different place. Yeah, neither of us, I think, had an option to get out of it, which is we would have, we wouldn't have had it any other way. Yeah. But it was, we kept fighting, getting up for the training and turning up and so, so, you know, we just, I guess, did what we had to do. Tanya hadn't cycled professionally before, okay? She'd done a lot of cycling and was a motorbike rider, which was a huge advantage for a front rider.

S2

Yeah, of course.

S3

Then when Tanya retired, I rode with Amanda. Alan. Okay. And Amanda came from a triathlete background. Yeah.

S2

Wow.

S3

Which was another aspect of cycling triathletes do their time trial, but they don't do many other cycling events. No, but nevertheless, we I guess we come together with a goal. And then I was with Theresa Ryan, who did have quite a fantastic cycling background. Oh, wow. And she... to carry on her cycling as well as mine. And I think she did that quite successfully and she was very generous with her time in coming over to Adelaide because she was based in Bathurst.

S2

Oh, that's far out.

S3

So it was a bit of a... so with Tanya and Amanda, we live locally. We got on the bike as often as we could and we enjoyed each other's company and yeah, we seem to do quite well with the training together and I guess peaking and troughing together with Teresa. She would fly in for weeks at a time, like a week at a time, and probably at the time I didn't commend her enough for picking up her life and coming over to Adelaide to spend it with me and we would just train hard the whole week and then she'd go back to Bathurst and we might not see each other until we flew, flew out to the European Championships or the world championships. That was an interesting, I guess, combination on the bike. Yeah, yeah. Because we didn't get to spend most days together. It probably yeah, it...

10:14

S2

Did it affect the way that you trained? So did you have to do much indoor training?

S3

Definitely with Teresa, I did a lot more indoor training. Yeah, because I just didn't have access to the roads on my own.

S2

And this was back before smart trainers and zwift and oh, how I got all became popular, isn't it?

S3

So yeah.

S2

Gee whiz. Oh yeah. So it would have been boring as.

S3

Yeah, it was. It would be great if we could have had all that back then.

S2

Yeah.

S3

Definitely a new light on training.

S2

Trust me, as a totally blind person who can't see any of the on-screen graphics doesn't make a lick of difference. Really? Yeah. No, it doesn't. Oh. So did you compete on the road and track or...

S3

We did because as Paralympians we had to fill events and with as few people as possible. So with their selection they have so many bikes. So bikes means whether it's a single bike, a hand bike, whether it's a tandem, it's a bike. So I think for the Paralympics we had I think we had 16, it might have been 15, 15 or 16 bikes. And we we were going to get a wild card. We were pretty sure we'll get a wild card. So that would have been about 17 in total. Yep. And I know we gave we might have got two wild cards because I do know one of ours went to a tandem so that because it was a tandem, it didn't take up two cards. It was just one bike. Yeah. So it was all around how many places we got on the team.

S2

So out of road and track cycling, every athlete has a preferred discipline, I suppose. What was yours? Track?

S3

Definitely track, Definitely.

S2

Really? Because mine is road.

S3

I are. You're endurance.

S2

Yeah. I actually started cycling about ten years ago back in 2013 of cycling. SA had a power development program happening at the Velodrome, mostly tandems, but there were a couple of C category riders as well. Yeah, and that's how I got into track cycling. So I did that for at least two years. But in that time I had also met up with Kieran Madeira and he and Victoria Veach and Mike Hoy. They had a tandem project out on the road.

S3

They did, they do. I remember it and...

S2

I started road cycling and I fell in love with it. I, I like track, but it's always her way too much for my life.

S3

Yeah it does hurt.

S2

It's yeah. At least road when you get down here as you get a bit of a reprieve you know.

S3

Yeah well that's true and that's a good way to look at it. I think coming from an international point of view, Australia always focuses on the track, so we always select numbers on or at least when I did it, we did this always select team members on their times and their percent of the world record their chance to get a gold medal. Whereas road racing is really hard. It's really hard to know what times because every road circuit varies. Every road time trial circuit varies. It depends how many people you've got to work with in a road race. And unfortunately, as Australians, we didn't have a lot of friends overseas. We'd often do the track first and do really well on the track and then nobody would want to team up with us on the road because they're like, Ah, you've cleaned up on the track. We don't want to work with you. We want to beat you.

S2

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I saw on the track then. Did you have a favourite race sprint or  Endurance? What was your bread and butter?

S3

Well our bread and butter was the kilo, for the one kilometre time trial, which is a real man's race. So that hurts. That does hurt. And the 3000 metre per shoot. So three K per shoot. Yeah.

S2

I hate them. I hate pursuits. Oh, with a passion.

S3

They will probably. And that's what I preferred as sprinting women sprinting coming off the probably what I was we Teresa and I and Amanda and I did the 200 metre time trial, the sprint but we didn't go ahead with the you know mouse and cat where you race off with someone because women's sport wasn't the match developed. Yeah. So when I was with Teresa, we did do that, which I didn't overly enjoy because there wasn't a lot of input I could have. So I knew with a kilo or a pursuit, I knew with a schedule we had to keep, I knew exactly where I was at and what I had to do to assist in winning that race.

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S2

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And on the road, what was your favorite?

S3

I'd prefer to road time trial to a road or race, and I guess that's because in Europe we didn't have many friends to work with us, so we were all kind of a bit lonely. Whereas a time trial, you know what you're in for. Yeah, you know what? You've got one job. Yeah. Start to finish as quick as you can.

S2

I love time trials. In fact.

S3

They're good, aren't they.

S2

In the last. So from from the 9th of July through to the 20th of August, basically every two weeks I've been doing a time trial. Fantastic. So I had my first one on the ninth. It was a hill climb. Then I had one last Sunday that was a hill climb. I got state on the sixth and...

S3

Then now, fantastic.

S2

Now the hill climb on the 20th. But they're all time trials and I love them. I just head down, you know.

S3

You know what you need to do hard.

S2

That's right. Just push.

S3

You don't need to anticipate or presume where everyone else and as a as a back rider on a tandem with a vision impairment, it's like, well, you don't know where everyone is placed. No. And sometimes your your pilot won't communicate that to you because they can't without giving everything away to the other opposition, I guess the opposition.

S2

Yeah, I think that's what I found so hard about track is, I like to know how we're going and you know, in the heat of the moment when you're working so hard (A) you don't have the breath to ask that sort of question, and (B), you don't get that sort of communication without, you know, you can't give it away. Like you said, you can't let other people know where your decision is. You've got to be tense...

S3

Of what you want to do.

S2

Yeah.

S3

So, yeah, and I did prefer a track and I preferred the pursuit and...

S2

So now I guess we'll talk about your introduction to international competition. So when was the first international competition that you had as a tandem cyclist? 

S3

Tandem cyclist? My first international competition was Sydney 2000 Paralympics. Wow. Really? I did a couple of competitions in athletics before changing over to cycling, but we were pretty stuck for time with our changeover to cycling. Yeah, so we had about 12 months and less to be, I guess, chosen in the team. So yeah, it was Sydney 2000 Paralympics.

S2

And what sort of, what did the training look like? Horrendous. Yep. So how many, how many days a week would you train and how many hours a day?

S3

We train seven days a week because cycling is not well. And I'm talking 20 years ago. Yeah, a couple more. Even cycling is not a huge sport for having your rest day. The rest means a different thing in cycling. Yeah, and you're probably well aware of this, Lizzy, but it's like you need to keep turning your legs over. Active recovery. Active recovery, you know, and you want low effort but 40 k's. So we were on the bike for seven days. We're in the sassy gym a lot. Yep. A couple, at least three times a week. And it was all just a real time juggle. We're also out of track at least 2 or 3 times a week just to get onto the track to get our fits in. So we I know we would often do six 4K pursuits which really hurt. That's you'd always look at that line up and think, oh.

S2

Do I have...

S3

To do I have to? Or we do, you know, eight 1500 metre efforts depending on what event we were training for. And they were tough sessions and they took time because you had to rest between bits. Yeah.

S2

Yeah. I remember back in the track days we would line up for pursuit training and it was that those were the days I really didn't want to turn up. Yeah, I know you like...

S3

I can't afford. Fast forward this day to, yeah. Four hours time and I'll be right.

S2

Well I actually took, yeah I took a break for some years from cycling. I think I stopped in about 2015 and I only got back into it last year and I got out on the track for a Come and Try day. Not long ago I had a sprint pilot and she's like, Oh yeah, let's just do a cup of flying. 200. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And anyway, we got into the flying two hundreds and I went, Yeah, now I remember why I quit track, like this just hurt mightily...

S3

But it does hurt. Yeah. You certainly get that lactic acid build up, don't you? Yeah. Yeah.

S2

So were there ever days that you had to train twice a day?

S3

Yes, often. I'm trying to remember what days we actually did the track. We'd have the track booked twice a week, so we would do a ride before work. So the scenario we had when I was cycling with Tanya, we only lived three K apart. Wow. Okay. So we could ride that stage. I did, right. A single bike on the road. I did find it quite stressful and sometimes we'd take the tandem out, but we would always meet in the morning at five, go for an hour ride before work. So get 60 k's in before work. Maybe that's two hours, actually. Yeah, that'd be two hours.

But it seemed, you know, it just had to be done and you'd get to work. We both worked in the same building in the city, so we would shower and our bikes would be safe. And we had lockers there. And then we would cycle from work to the track for the evening session and then cycle home from the track.

20:36

S2

Wow. That's a lot of training.

S3

That would be days. They would be days. Yeah.

S2

And at the gym, I guess you were doing lots of strength work.

20:45

S3

We were. So we would cycle out to the South Australian Sports Institute gym. Yep. And we would do a morning session often on legs more than anything.

S2

Yeah, of course.

S3

Then cycle home again or cycle into work actually. Yeah.

S2

Nasty. Yeah. So I always go to gym three times a week. I do legs on two days and then on the third day I do upper half and core mostly because the third day is usually the day before my long road ride on the weekends so I don't hit the legs.

S3

And that's fair enough. And also it's amazing how much upper body is required in cycling.

S2

Yeah, especially getting out on the drops. Yeah. You know, and, and.

S3

Core like keeping that stability and that balance. Yeah. It all.

S2

Helps. Yeah. Yeah. So talk about what it was like to compete at the Paralympics. Were you nervous? What were the emotions you were feeling?

S3

Oh, it was it was surreal. It was exciting. It was nervous. It was. Was fun. It was stressful. It was it was just amazing. And if I had to have my time again, I'd do it all again exactly the same. It was just amazing. We actually had a cycling camp in Perth. Wow.

S2

Okay.

S3

Yeah, because that's where our head coach lived at the time. So the month before Sydney we all flew to Perth and we were in quite a restricted camp where we trained hard and then we'd taper and then we flew from Perth to Sydney and I found that a bit of a rude shock. We actually got a bit of jet lag flying from Perth to Sydney.

S2

That's a two hour difference.

S3

Yeah. And then having to front up straight away to cycle, we settled into the village, which was just unreal. We had our own little house and I remember Tania and I moving in and changing our bedroom around because we didn't like the layout. So we had our light right out the front. So we put our gaffer tape down the curtains so that we could keep the light out so we could actually sleep.

S2

Amazing.

S3

Yeah, just little things like that. Riding. We used to ride to the track from the village. That was a good warm up or a pretty warm up. Sydney roads are not the best cycling, but we did. And just riding back into the village with all the volunteers to greet us at the gate. Yeah, I do commend all the volunteers that helped with the Sydney Paralympics because they were awesome.

S2

And then how did you go at the Paralympics in terms of getting the efforts done, racing your races? Tell us about the medals, the medals and...

S3

Medals, the medals.

S2

How did you go?

S3

Well, so first up, I'm trying to think which race was first. I'm presuming it was the kilo. I think so. So we were pretty low down or we were pretty late on the list. So there were a lot of cyclists that went before us in our division and we managed to get gold. That's amazing. And a world.

S2

Record. That's amazing. Yeah.

S3

So we're pretty stoked with that because we'd we'd improve the world record in women's tandem cycling by something like six seconds, which is massive for one kilometre.

S2

Yes, that's huge.

S3

So we took that, but we no longer received our gold medal and it was like, All right, back to business. Yep. You've got tomorrow you have qualifiers for the shoot. Yeah. So it was sort of like, yep, cool, done.

S2

You got your gold, but right, not yet.

S3

Move on. And we've got to focus on the pursuit. And that was very much the team, the coach, that a train of thought... it's like the job is not done yet, no, stay focused - so we did and we went through all the qualifying for the shoot. Yeah. And we were doing okay in the qualifying and we got to race off for gold against Norway and in a gold medal race we did catch them.

S2

So that's amazing.

S3

We also did in our qualifier break the world record for the pursuit.

S2

Wow.

S3

I can't remember how much buy, but it was about three seconds.

S2

And over three K That's huge as well. Yeah.

S3

It's you know, shouldn't underestimate it really. And then in the in the fight, like in our gold medal race we, I think we only rode six laps of it because we caught the Norwegian. So then the gun fires and the race is over.

25:12

S2

And what about like the interim between races? I mean, how is your wind down and making sure you got the proper nutrition? You know, that's stressful thing as well, isn't it?

S3

It's you can't underestimate that. So it's all about resting and we're cycling. It's all about staying off your feet. It's not going for a walk. It's not walking to the food hall. No way, no. Somewhere in the village we acquired some bikes, some mountain bikes, so we'd often ride either our tandem or some of the boys would take the mountain bikes and just ride to the food court. So we weren't on our feet. Yeah. Coach found it quite stressful if we were out walking.

S2

Wow. Okay. See that? To me, walking is one of the best ways to wind down.

S3

Yeah, it's a hard one.

S2

And that would just really stress me out not being able to walk.

S3

Yeah, Yeah, it's a bit of a no-no. I was cycling was back then. Yep. I know. For the opening ceremony, if we didn't race the next day, we got to go. If we were racing the next day, we didn't get to go. Fortunately, Tanya and I had a day between opening ceremony evening and race Kilo, so we got to go. But it was simply walk out. So we lined up for a long time. We walked out, did our lap, and then we walked back on the bus to go back to the village because our coach was like, No, you're here to compete. You're not here to watch.

S2

Wow. Oh, that's that's brutal. Yeah, that's brutal.

S3

Yeah. It was like, yeah, back to village. Let's go.

S2

So what about when all was said? Done after the Paralympics, after you won your gold and you did your races, how did you feel? What was it like?

S3

Pretty surreal. Unfortunately, Tanya and I come fourth in the road race, so that was a bit bittersweet. But still, don't want to underestimate how we felt about the track. It was just awesome. It was like, Oh wow. It was. It was like a bucket list tick. It was like, Yeah, done that. And then it was we come home, we had a couple of weeks off and then it was back into building up again. So it was at the time. Then you're in a it's very focused. It's like there's no I guess there's small celebrations, but it's like, this is the period of time you're in at the moment. You need to use it wisely. Yeah, that's how.

S2

I sort of feel at the moment between my races. Like unfortunately the last two I've done, the hill climbs, they're local club races, so there's no other tandems racing. I mean, I celebrate my goals, but then I'm like, You know what? We've got another race in two weeks. You just got to. It's a season, isn't it?

S3

Got to ride it with the season going. Yeah. It's not like, oh one that I can go out and celebrate. It's sort of like, well, I'm in season for road riding at the moment. I've got to enhance that every way I can.

S2

Yeah, that's it. And so what other competitions did you do after the Paralympics?

S3

So I went on and did European Championships and I did the world Championships.

S2

And how did you go, so European?

S3

I think I did about six events there because we did do the 200 metre fly and we did do maybe it was five. I think we got we got three gold and two silver.

S2

Wow. That's amazing.

S3

And then with the world champion, we got four gold and one silver where they throw in...

S2

Germany, where they throw in track and road into the same.

S3

Yeah.

S2

So often is what you...

S3

Do in a competition. You do a week of track, two days off and 2 or 3 days of road. Yeah. They just sort of churn people through the road like they'd get. I remember our road race in Germany. The boys on the tandem went first and then they'd finish, they'd get them off the road and then we were straight up. There was no rest. No, of course. Yeah.

S2

Yeah. Wow.

S3

And while I was in Adelaide building up to that, I did race for a local club and I think that's just to get the competition in. Otherwise as tandem cyclists, we just don't.

S2

Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing for me is, I don't have a lot of race experience.

S3

We didn't either.

S2

No. And so when I get to a race and there's other tandems there, like nationals, this year was the first time in 6 or 7 years that I'd actually competed against other tandems. And yeah, I remember being super stressed out. I mean, that's another story for another day. But I got gastro the day before and I was still recovering from that. And I remember just being super stressed because, you know, it's a whole new ball game to rocking up to a club race and knowing you're the only tandem there. And so it doesn't really matter how you go because you can't compare a single bike rider to a tandem. But then actually racing with tandems. You're just, you know, proverbially crapping yourself going, Oh my God, this is really stressful.

S3

It's stressful, isn't it? Yeah, it's all new. And it's, yeah, there's not big tandem clubs around. It's, yeah...

30:14

S2

So after the European championships and the World, did you go on to do anything else?

S3

I didn't, I then retired. I in hindsight maybe should have gone for another year or two, but I was exhausted. When you're training 30 hours a week and working 30 hours a week, it's just everything you can do to recover. And I guess it's the whole I'm just going to get burnt out if I keep going. I'd done 12 years and I sort of felt at the time, well, how can I keep moving forward here in life? And yeah, guess when you stop enjoying what you're doing, it's time to turn to something new, isn't it?

S2

And so what were you doing? What did you do when you retired? What was your work? What were you...

S4

Doing? So it's still.

S3

A telecommunication company which sponsored me, and I stayed there for a couple of years. But now and soon after I retired, I actually left there and I've set up my own remedial massage business.

S2

Wow.

S3

That's amazing. It helps me marry my interests and passion. Of course, with working with the human body and being able to help people. So I really enjoy that.

S2

I think that's a really big thing too. And again, this is where we have a lot in common. I'm volunteering and helping out with an organization called Beyond Blindness, and at the moment I'm trying to encourage them to include more fitness based programs.

S3

Yeah, great.

S2

So they're an organisation that mostly focuses on the social aspect. They have a lot of outings and they do things they do at the centre. But I had a hiking partner who a couple of years ago had this idea to start a more active walking group, one that actually did multiple kilometres and really took it seriously. And unfortunately he passed last year. But I've been helping to keep going forward. And ever since then they've introduced things like ballroom dancing and chair yoga.

S3

So fabulous.

S2

Yeah, I think it's really important that people are aware of health and mobility. And of course as we get older.

S3

I think it is too, because they say for an able-bodied population, it's really important when they get older to do things, programs such as Strength for Life to help them with that balance and prevent falls. And I think for low vision community, we often add, balance may not be quite as good. No. So it's really important to keep moving, keep flexible or keep mobility and yeah, be able to focus and keep what we've got as opposed to "if you don't use it, you lose it." Yeah.

S2

So do you still cycle? That's the million dollar question.

S3

Oh, I have $1 million question. I do a little bit of cycling. I do not go on the roads. Yeah, I'm really cautious of roads and I'm not going there anymore. All my training that I do, which is cycling dedication, is on an ergo - I do go to the gym.

S2

Cool.

S3

And I have been running, but I do I don't do that at the moment. Yeah. So really I'm going to the gym and cycling.

S2

We were talking about this just before cycling a smart trainers and training platforms and apps and things. So tell us about your setup.

S3

So at the moment I've got a Wahoo kicker and I use Swift and Boy, do I wish I had that 23 years ago.

S2

Yeah, I bet we had little.

S3

We had.

S2

Little.

S3

Blackburn ergos that we would hook our back wheel into and tighten up the resistance and put a telephone book under the front wheel. So your bike was even and then just ride into nowhere. Like we had no screens. No. You could put, I guess your plugs and play music. But yeah, it was just such, ergos were tough sessions.

S2

Yeah. I remember before I got my tax Neo last year, I had my bike set up on one of the Easyjet Magnetic. Yeah, the same thing. Yeah. And exactly. It was horrendous. Like you could do efforts, but it was hard to know if you were hitting. A good power or whether you were doing them too hard, too easy. Like it's such a hard thing to gauge, isn't it?

S3

It's hard to gauge. You might not be feeling it that day and you think you're working really hard and you're not.

S2

No.

S3

Yeah, it's a it's a hard one. And to get up, you know, at 5 a.m. to do an ergo session. Isn't that exciting?

S2

Yeah, that's not happening.

S3

Yeah.

S2

I think I've only done that once. Actually. I do that a lot during summer because I can't sweat in that, so.

S3

Oh, okay.

S2

I do that a lot in summer. Either do I'm really early in the morning or late at night. Yeah. But I think the world of smart trainers or the introduction of smart trainers has made training so much more accurate. But also, I have to say, so much more brutal. I think.

S3

They're brutal. I think they're still boring. They haven't progressed that on, um, sitting in the lounge room on a trainer with no natural wind, no stoplights to stop at, no heels to close down, no pilot.

S2

To talk to. Yes.

S3

Still isolating and brutal. Yeah. It's not that hasn't changed.

S5

Yeah. No, that's... I don't know.

35:40

S2

For you you've got some vision so you know, there's WiFi. You can probably see the video, but for me, who doesn't? You can flash all the flashiest videos you want at me. You can make it as exciting graphically as possible, but it still to me is boring. You know.

S3

Certainly I still do think the platforms that offer ergo smart cycling do have a lot of work to do to integrate for vision. While I can see the bike that I'm on in the video cycling, I can't read any of the text on the screen. So because it's tiny and there's a lot of it and I'm not going to stop cycling to read something, so hold it right up to my face. So I'm sure I only get half the picture.

S5

But...

S3

I only do you know, only do about 20 to 40 k at a time. Yeah. Nowadays. Yeah, whereas but I do appreciate that when you're training to improve and to have a goal, you're on that. Ergo for one and a half, two hours and that's a long stationary session.

S2

It is. And because you've got none of that outside stimulation or a chance to really stretch your legs, uh, it does make it hard. I know for me, if I'm doing just a basic endurance or tempo sort of ride, I can do them fairly well. But if I'm doing anything above that intervals at FTP or above, I usually get my husband to actually take the phone and read out my power numbers to me.

S5

Yeah, good.

S2

Because otherwise I just don't know if I'm hitting them unless I'm in erg mode. And there's a difference between, again, level, you know, whether you can use your own gears or whether the trainer dictates resistance or not.

S3

Yeah, I don't have that on mine. Mine's a bit more basic mine and he has a level setting. But yeah, that would be interesting in itself.